West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So what do you guys think of the strawmen anti communist arguments like “communism killed [insert ludicrous number here]” or “communism = no food lololol”.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 6:56 pm
West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So what do you guys think of the strawmen anti communist arguments like “communism killed [insert ludicrous number here]” or “communism = no food lololol”.
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by Northern Davincia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:10 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:West Leas Oros 2 wrote:So what do you guys think of the strawmen anti communist arguments like “communism killed [insert ludicrous number here]” or “communism = no food lololol”.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 7:55 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:What are we supposed to find in there?
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:00 pm
I wrote:American Richard D. Wolff’s (born 1942) proposes workers’ self–directed coöperative enterprises. On the other hand, I was disappointed when, in 2016, he supported the presidential candidacy of a social democrat, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, and repeatedly referred to him, erroneously by standard academic criteria, as a socialist. Why would a communist do that? Although completely irrelevant to the subject at hand, to quote Yul Brenner’s character in the disturbingly Americocentric movie, The King and I, Wolff’s campaigning, or effective campaigning, for Sanders was, from my perspective, a “puzzlement.” Sanders did more harm to socialism than the most extreme right–winger. Due to his popularity, I only refer to myself as a communist these days, never as a socialist. Meanwhile, a generation of social democrats now defines itself as socialist.
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by Northern Davincia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:01 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:05 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Is communism and Marxism synonymous now?
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by Thanatttynia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:07 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Here is my review of Marxist economist Richard D. Wolff:I wrote:American Richard D. Wolff’s (born 1942) proposes workers’ self–directed coöperative enterprises. On the other hand, I was disappointed when, in 2016, he supported the presidential candidacy of a social democrat, U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders, and repeatedly referred to him, erroneously by standard academic criteria, as a socialist. Why would a communist do that? Although completely irrelevant to the subject at hand, to quote Yul Brenner’s character in the disturbingly Americocentric movie, The King and I, Wolff’s campaigning, or effective campaigning, for Sanders was, from my perspective, a “puzzlement.” Sanders did more harm to socialism than the most extreme right–winger. Due to his popularity, I only refer to myself as a communist these days, never as a socialist. Meanwhile, a generation of social democrats now defines itself as socialist.
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:12 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:Caring more about gatekeeping terms than actually winning elections is unfortunately why the left has been such a weak political force, at least in the US and the UK, since the mid-20th century. Sanders pushed the Overton window in the US to the left and we leftists should be thankful for that. Socialist-inspired ideas are now gaining a lot of traction in the political mainstream, where they can actually help people.
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by Washington Resistance Army » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:14 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:Caring more about gatekeeping terms than actually winning elections is unfortunately why the left has been such a weak political force, at least in the US and the UK, since the mid-20th century. Sanders pushed the Overton window in the US to the left and we leftists should be thankful for that. Socialist-inspired ideas are now gaining a lot of traction in the political mainstream, where they can actually help people.
Like the majority of communists, I am not interested in elections. When many communist parties put forward a candidate, it is usually a part of a tactic called entryism. In other words, they are using the candidate, even though s/he generally has no ballot access in any U.S. state, as a method to attract people to the party. I am not opposed to entryism, in principle, but I think it needs to be recognized for what it is. Almost no communist realistically expects to win most elections. Those who have won a few local elections belong to social democratic parties (usually Trotskyist) which are communist in name only.
by Proctopeo » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:16 pm
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Like the majority of communists, I am not interested in elections. When many communist parties put forward a candidate, it is usually a part of a tactic called entryism. In other words, they are using the candidate, even though s/he generally has no ballot access in any U.S. state, as a method to attract people to the party. I am not opposed to entryism, in principle, but I think it needs to be recognized for what it is. Almost no communist realistically expects to win most elections. Those who have won a few local elections belong to social democratic parties (usually Trotskyist) which are communist in name only.
In what world are social democrats Trotskyists?
by Northern Davincia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:21 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:23 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Yes.
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by Northern Davincia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:23 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:25 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Given enough time I'm sure social democrats will fall in line with tankies.
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by Thanatttynia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:28 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:Caring more about gatekeeping terms than actually winning elections is unfortunately why the left has been such a weak political force, at least in the US and the UK, since the mid-20th century. Sanders pushed the Overton window in the US to the left and we leftists should be thankful for that. Socialist-inspired ideas are now gaining a lot of traction in the political mainstream, where they can actually help people.
Like the majority of communists, I am not interested in elections. When many communist parties put forward a candidate, it is usually a part of a tactic called entryism. In other words, they are using the candidate, even though s/he generally has no ballot access in any U.S. state, as a method to attract people to the party. I am not opposed to entryism, in principle, but I think it needs to be recognized for what it is. Almost no communist realistically expects to win most elections. Those who have won a few local elections belong to social democratic parties (usually Trotskyist) which are communist in name only.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:42 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:If most communists aren't interested in elections I would have to question the real motivations behind their communism. Is it to effect real change or is it for the thrill of being a political contrarian opposed to the mainstream? Barring a revolution, democratic election is the best way we have to help the most vulnerable in our society. Not entering democratic elections is your prerogative, but to then criticise those on the left who do choose to enter these elections is pretty indefensible; they certainly have a much greater chance of actually improving society than people who abstain out of some ideological conviction and wind up pissing their life away having seen capitalism grow only more rampant and callous.
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by Thanatttynia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:50 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:If most communists aren't interested in elections I would have to question the real motivations behind their communism. Is it to effect real change or is it for the thrill of being a political contrarian opposed to the mainstream? Barring a revolution, democratic election is the best way we have to help the most vulnerable in our society. Not entering democratic elections is your prerogative, but to then criticise those on the left who do choose to enter these elections is pretty indefensible; they certainly have a much greater chance of actually improving society than people who abstain out of some ideological conviction and wind up pissing their life away having seen capitalism grow only more rampant and callous.
I have no objections to piecemeal reforms which will help the proletariat and the subaltern. However, those are short-term fixes. Ultimately, the only objective of communism is revolution, which distinguishes communists from social democrats. The point is, I don't think that capitalism can be fixed. That is communism in a nutshell.
by Northern Davincia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:51 pm
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 8:58 pm
Thanatttynia wrote:I respect that, but don't you have a preference between a less or more damaging capitalism? Communist revolution might be the goal but it isn't likely happening any time in the near future in the West, why not advocate for possible reform?
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by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:01 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:How often do they mention FDR's internment camps?
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by Northern Davincia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:04 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Northern Davincia wrote:How often do they mention FDR's internment camps?
FDR wasn't perfect, and I am the last person alive to defend the New Deal, but what does that have to do with social democracy as practiced throughout the world? You seem to be conflating the personal failings of an individual with a global economic policy.
Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."
by Thanatttynia » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:04 pm
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:Thanatttynia wrote:I respect that, but don't you have a preference between a less or more damaging capitalism? Communist revolution might be the goal but it isn't likely happening any time in the near future in the West, why not advocate for possible reform?
As I said, I have no objection to piecemeal reforms. However, to me the contrast “between a less or more damaging capitalism” assumes that capitalism, in any form, can be less damaging. I am totally unwilling to make that assumption. It seems to me, and you can tell me if I am wrong, that you are arguing for something like social democracy, not communism. The two have nothing in common.
by Democratic Communist Federation » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:14 pm
Northern Davincia wrote:Shall I deem Stalin's gulag system as a personal failure?
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by Kubra » Sat Aug 11, 2018 9:16 pm
I mean, you should, what's the point of work camps if they don't turn a profit? thing was just workfare for otherwise unemployable NKVD guards.Northern Davincia wrote:Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
FDR wasn't perfect, and I am the last person alive to defend the New Deal, but what does that have to do with social democracy as practiced throughout the world? You seem to be conflating the personal failings of an individual with a global economic policy.
Shall I deem Stalin's gulag system as a personal failure?
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