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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Postby Taviana SSR » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:12 am

I am DISGUSTED by the people who voted in favor of Orwell. He ratted out fellow socialists to British authorities and was aligned with anti-soviet elements. His books are fascist pieces of reactionary propaganda and it is a shame the NKVD never got him.

George Orwell = Fascist sympathizer
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:13 am

Taviana SSR wrote:I am DISGUSTED by the people who voted in favor of Orwell. He ratted out fellow socialists to British authorities and was aligned with anti-soviet elements. His books are fascist pieces of reactionary propaganda and it is a shame the NKVD never got him.

George Orwell = Fascist sympathizer

I guess that explains his support for Franco.
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Postby Taviana SSR » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:20 am

Orwell helped the British imperialists to make anti-communist propaganda and snitched on true socialists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

Never mind the book with the talking pigs, which is beloved by counterrevolutionary forces.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:38 am

Taviana SSR wrote:Orwell helped the British imperialists to make anti-communist propaganda and snitched on true socialists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

Never mind the book with the talking pigs, which is beloved by counterrevolutionary forces.

Animal Farm is a pretty stupid book. Not its point, but its obnoxiously stupid method of satire, "they're animals so it's witty!" Zamyatin's satire was so much better.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:23 pm

Taviana SSR wrote:I am DISGUSTED by the people who voted in favor of Orwell. He ratted out fellow socialists to British authorities and was aligned with anti-soviet elements. His books are fascist pieces of reactionary propaganda and it is a shame the NKVD never got him.

George Orwell = Fascist sympathizer


State socialists are not friends of the workers. They wish to replace the central authority that steals their profits for itself with a different central authority that steals their profits for itself.

I am not sure you can even be considered proper socialists rather than state capitalists who, at the most charitable, are also social democrats, and at worst, CEOs with a tank fetish rather than a private jet fetish.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:36 pm

Orwells list is a pretty overrated smear tbh
Basically no one in his list were affected by the list in the first place
In any case, given the atmosphere cultivated by stalinism on the left, snitching was par for the course. even Moscow itself would sell you out if they thought they'd get concessions out of it, like in egypt.
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Postby Jelmatt » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:10 pm

Reminder that Orwell's list was used in deciding who to give a fucking government job to and basically nothing else.

Was it shitty? Yeah. Was it some great betrayal? Not really.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jul 09, 2018 2:29 pm

Taviana SSR wrote:Orwell helped the British imperialists to make anti-communist propaganda and snitched on true socialists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

Never mind the book with the talking pigs, which is beloved by counterrevolutionary forces.

Counterrevolutionaries like it because communist revolutionaries tend to become authoritarian assholes who are just as bad, if not worse, than the prior regime. That's the point of the book, and he's completely right. Just look at the USSR compared to the short-lived Republic and the long-lasting Tsardom.

Do you think 1984 is a how-to guide, by chance?

Kubra wrote:Orwells list is a pretty overrated smear tbh
Basically no one in his list were affected by the list in the first place
In any case, given the atmosphere cultivated by stalinism on the left, snitching was par for the course. even Moscow itself would sell you out if they thought they'd get concessions out of it, like in egypt.

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Postby Irou » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:15 pm

I usually think about Animal Farm from a racialist perspective and the hierarchy between peoples
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:47 pm

Taviana SSR wrote:Orwell helped the British imperialists to make anti-communist propaganda and snitched on true socialists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwell%27s_list

Never mind the book with the talking pigs, which is beloved by counterrevolutionary forces.

Dah, true comrade. What he should have supported was the Soviet take over of Eastern Europe glorious liberation of Eastern Europe for dear comrade Stalin. :)
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 09, 2018 5:50 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Taviana SSR wrote:I am DISGUSTED by the people who voted in favor of Orwell. He ratted out fellow socialists to British authorities and was aligned with anti-soviet elements. His books are fascist pieces of reactionary propaganda and it is a shame the NKVD never got him.

George Orwell = Fascist sympathizer


State socialists are not friends of the workers. They wish to replace the central authority that steals their profits for itself with a different central authority that steals their profits for itself.

I am not sure you can even be considered proper socialists rather than state capitalists who, at the most charitable, are also social democrats, and at worst, CEOs with a tank fetish rather than a private jet fetish.

What’s i alsways find funny is the use of imperialist by Stalinist, even though Papa Koe basically forcefully occupied and even annexed a multiple Eastern European countries.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:18 pm

Well, new week, new me. NGL that seven-day ban was really helpful in cooling down my jets for this NS summer. Time to get to more wholesome political posts ^_^
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:29 pm

Torrocca wrote:Well, new week, new me. NGL that seven-day ban was really helpful in cooling down my jets for this NS summer. Time to get to more wholesome political posts ^_^

Leave now, while you still can...
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Torrocca » Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:56 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Well, new week, new me. NGL that seven-day ban was really helpful in cooling down my jets for this NS summer. Time to get to more wholesome political posts ^_^

Leave now, while you still can...


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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:14 pm

New yugoslavaia wrote:MCC was saying that the empire (the US) could kill as all off. I doubt that since it's making enemies with China and the EU due to trade restrictions. Also, NK is getting pissed off again. I think they might not be around for much longer. Besides, it seems civil unrest is brewing in the nation.

With that, I have but one thing to say...

LET'S TAKE BACK THE COLONIES!!!


I honestly agree that the American Revolution was a mistake. I think that the U.S. should have taken the same route as Canada. However, that was a long time go. There is little point, practically, in reimagining history.

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:18 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:I have zero interest in personally one-upping you, I just don't believe that someone who has never read Lenin is a tenured Marxist academic.


You are putting words in my mouth. I never said I have not read Lenin. What I did say is that I wanted to end the conversation. Why? Because our discussions always go around in a circle. However, with some reluctance, I would suggest you think about it practically. I have a Ph.D. in sociology where my twin focuses were the sociology of religion and Marxist theory.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:28 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I have zero interest in personally one-upping you, I just don't believe that someone who has never read Lenin is a tenured Marxist academic.


You are putting words in my mouth. I never said I have not read Lenin. What I did say is that I wanted to end the conversation. Why? Because our discussions always go around in a circle. However, with some reluctance, I would suggest you think about it practically. I have a Ph.D. in sociology where my twin focuses were the sociology of religion and Marxist theory.

My impression that you didn't read Lenin was your ultra amateur criticism of his work.
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:28 pm

Taviana SSR wrote:I am DISGUSTED by the people who voted in favor of Orwell. He ratted out fellow socialists to British authorities and was aligned with anti-soviet elements. His books are fascist pieces of reactionary propaganda and it is a shame the NKVD never got him.

George Orwell = Fascist sympathizer


The fact that Orwell was anti-Soviet did not make him a fascist sympathizer. If you believe that, produce some evidence of his support for fascism. However, I can make it easy on you. You won't find any such evidence of his support for Mussolini.

I was also anti-Soviet, and had been anti-Soviet since 1968, but I am a libertarian communist and Antifa (antifascist).

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:37 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:My impression that you didn't read Lenin was your ultra amateur criticism of his work.


So now you are resorting to name calling? You must be very angry at my refusal to continue the discussion. My critique was the standard critique made of Lenin. There was not much originality in it.

I only have one response to personal attacks on me. Post away. I won't see it.

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:42 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:My impression that you didn't read Lenin was your ultra amateur criticism of his work.


So now you are resorting to name calling? You must be very angry at my refusal to continue the discussion. My critique was the standard critique made of Lenin. There was not much originality in it.

I only have one response to personal attacks on me. Post away. I won't see it.

I called your critique "amateur" (i.e. not academic or even indicative of having read Lenin). I did not call you any name. Your critique was standard for people who are unlearned in Leninism. If you cannot furnish a more substantial critique, I am forced to reject your claims of being a Marxist academic, as it would conclusively prove you have zero academic grasp of Lenin's work, and that you're here to harass the innocent jimmies of people like DI.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:47 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
So now you are resorting to name calling? You must be very angry at my refusal to continue the discussion. My critique was the standard critique made of Lenin. There was not much originality in it.

I only have one response to personal attacks on me. Post away. I won't see it.

I called your critique "amateur" (i.e. not academic or even indicative of having read Lenin). I did not call you any name. Your critique was standard for people who are unlearned in Leninism. If you cannot furnish a more substantial critique, I am forced to reject your claims of being a Marxist academic, as it would conclusively prove you have zero academic grasp of Lenin's work, and that you're here to harass the innocent jimmies of people like DI.


Please protect the sanctity of my jimmies, kind sir.
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Postby Jelmatt » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:48 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I called your critique "amateur" (i.e. not academic or even indicative of having read Lenin). I did not call you any name. Your critique was standard for people who are unlearned in Leninism. If you cannot furnish a more substantial critique, I am forced to reject your claims of being a Marxist academic, as it would conclusively prove you have zero academic grasp of Lenin's work, and that you're here to harass the innocent jimmies of people like DI.


Please protect the sanctity of my jimmies, kind sir.


inb4 "but n-not because I like you or anything!"

Totally not a tsundere for conservatives, no way. ;)
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 10:54 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:I called your critique "amateur" (i.e. not academic or even indicative of having read Lenin). I did not call you any name. Your critique was standard for people who are unlearned in Leninism. If you cannot furnish a more substantial critique, I am forced to reject your claims of being a Marxist academic, as it would conclusively prove you have zero academic grasp of Lenin's work, and that you're here to harass the innocent jimmies of people like DI.


Please protect the sanctity of my jimmies, kind sir.

But think of the jimmies!
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Mon Jul 09, 2018 11:05 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Please protect the sanctity of my jimmies, kind sir.


inb4 "but n-not because I like you or anything!"

Totally not a tsundere for conservatives, no way. ;)

Naw, not like that, I was alluding to what seemed to me to be some conservative dogwhistles in the post about education (such as the term "flourishing" and an evidently Burkean idea of progress). Tsundere toward conservativism, not conservatives.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:49 am

Taviana SSR wrote:I am DISGUSTED by the people who voted in favor of Orwell. He ratted out fellow socialists to British authorities and was aligned with anti-soviet elements. His books are fascist pieces of reactionary propaganda and it is a shame the NKVD never got him.

George Orwell = Fascist sympathizer

What's disgusting is Bertolt Brecht isn't on the list. Shame! Shame! Shame!

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