LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Social Justice Warriors are a tiny irrelevant minority. They're basically a spook for both right and left.

What did they mean by this?

[New yugoslavaia]

Social Justice Warriors are a tiny irrelevant minority. They're basically a spook for both right and left.

What did they mean by this?

I think it means that they are just used as boogie"men"/buzzwords and are actully very small.

[Mattopilos II]

A bridge made from two short planks.

Ah, good. Someone else who realises that they are just nazis but with flipped liked/hated social groups and they also don't mind the jews...actully, they might do if they really do like Islam as much as people say...or is that right wing lie?

I have a feeling you don't know DI that well.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Ah, good. Someone else who realises that they are just nazis but with flipped liked/hated social groups and they also don't mind the jews...actully, they might do if they really do like Islam as much as people say...or is that right wing lie?

I have a feeling you don't know DI that well.

It's the way of things that all great people are misunderstood by their contemporaries.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

You are now changing the subject to, um, something. I would call it evading the point, but you would know that better than I would. You argued that the term extremist has connotations of violence. I disagreed and asked that you look it up in any dictionary. I did not specify which dictionary. Dictionaries range from the general to the specific. (For instance, I have several sociological dictionaries.)

I can tell you, having researched the subject pretty extensively, that the word extremist has no connotations of violence. That is not to say that some extremists might not be violent. However, one can also be a nonviolent extremist (like me).



He is not just any social democrat. He is the person who made it popular for a lot of other American social democrats to call themselves democratic socialists.

People have called me an extremist myself, despite being a near-jainist tier pacifist.

You can be an extremist and a pacifist.

[Pasong Tirad]

I'm not doubting that it's an Austronesian language (technically Tagalog, since "Filipino" is a catch-all term that basically means Tagalog), I'm saying that the Filipino terms you used feel forced. I'm also saying that nobody uses the term "extremist" here when speaking in Philippine languages.

That is what I found in an English-Filipino dictionary I can access through my college's intranet. My point is that I do not want to use words which carry the connotation of radical or, worse, militant. Are you aware of a Filipino word which specifically translates as extremist?

Edit: I looked even more and came up with this: isang masidhing panatiko (a passionate fanatic).

Edit: Here is a PDF with clippings using this word: ekstremista

Nothing that comes to mind - as far as I know, no direct translation. As I've said, people often use other terms (which isn't to say "ekstremist/ekstremista/isang extremist" aren't also used). As you've mentioned, panatiko could be used - as well as the other terms I've mentioned, radikal and militante. You'd be better off asking a Filipino at your university (there's going to be a Filipino at your university - we're everywhere). Being raised a Tagalog myself and knowing only English and Tagalog, I can't offer any knowledge of whether or not there's a direct equivalent to the term "extremist" for other Filipino languages. It wouldn't hurt your research to also check whether Cebuano, Ilokano, or Ilonggo have words that directly translate. Since "Filipino" as a term for the language is directly linked to Tagalog (the main language spoken in the capital region), I doubt you'd have as many references in your university network for other Filipino langauges - although it wouldn't hurt to look.

[Ostroeuropa]

Congress banned child sex robots thanks to feels over reals, thus banning a potential means to lower the exploitation of children because it made them feel uncomfortable.

If your objection to child rape is that it's icky, you have a broken moral compass, and no amount of them pretending otherwise and vilifying people for disagreeing with you will change that. The objection to child rape should be that, hey, a person is being raped. That's something sex bots can curb.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Ah, good. Someone else who realises that they are just nazis but with flipped liked/hated social groups and they also don't mind the jews...actully, they might do if they really do like Islam as much as people say...or is that right wing lie?

Anyone can become a libertarian communist. The problem is not SJWs, it is people who cause division.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

People have called me an extremist myself, despite being a near-jainist tier pacifist.

There is nothing wrong with being an extremist. The problem is not caring.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

You'd be better off asking a Filipino at your university (there's going to be a Filipino at your university - we're everywhere). Being raised a Tagalog myself and knowing only English and Tagalog, I can't offer any knowledge of whether or not there's a direct equivalent to the term "extremist" for other Filipino languages. It wouldn't hurt your research to also check whether Cebuano, Ilokano, or Ilonggo have words that directly translate. Since "Filipino" as a term for the language is directly linked to Tagalog (the main language spoken in the capital region), I doubt you'd have as many references in your university network for other Filipino langauges - although it wouldn't hurt to look.

That's a good idea.

[Salus Maior]

Congress banned child sex robots thanks to feels over reals, thus banning a potential means to lower the exploitation of children because it made them feel uncomfortable.

If your objection to child rape is that it's icky, you have a broken moral compass, and no amount of them pretending otherwise and vilifying people for disagreeing with you will change that. The objection to child rape should be that, hey, a person is being raped. That's something sex bots can curb.

Yeah, spreading and legalizing child porn will curb child rape.

Say it again, Milo.

[Ostroeuropa]

Congress banned child sex robots thanks to feels over reals, thus banning a potential means to lower the exploitation of children because it made them feel uncomfortable.

If your objection to child rape is that it's icky, you have a broken moral compass, and no amount of them pretending otherwise and vilifying people for disagreeing with you will change that. The objection to child rape should be that, hey, a person is being raped. That's something sex bots can curb.

Yeah, spreading and legalizing child porn will curb child rape.

Say it again, Milo.

Child porn involves children in the production and sexually exploits them. It's different to a robot. Provided it isn't based on anyone in particulars likeness, I can see no reasonable objection beyond calling it icky in various ways.

[Salus Maior]

Yeah, spreading and legalizing child porn will curb child rape.

Say it again, Milo.

Child porn involves children in the production and sexually exploits them. It's different to a robot. Provided it isn't based on anyone in particulars likeness, I can see no reasonable objection beyond calling it icky in various ways.

Fetishizing children doesn't bloody help anything. People are going to want "the real thing" after exploring that kind of disgusting behavior.

"Sex bots" aren't going to solve the problem of actual rape, and considering it's not something that's really around yet, you can't say that it will because you have no data to base this assumption off of. Porn exists already, sex toys, etc and none of that has stopped the tide of sex criminality, what makes you think another sex toy will?

[Pasong Tirad]

I mean, if the problem is pedophiles maybe the solution shouldn't be to enable them by giving them little kiddy robots to fiddle around.

[Salus Maior]

I mean, if the problem is pedophiles maybe the solution shouldn't be to enable them by giving them little kiddy robots to fiddle around.

^ This guy.

[West Leas Oros]

Ah, good. Someone else who realises that they are just nazis but with flipped liked/hated social groups and they also don't mind the jews...actully, they might do if they really do like Islam as much as people say...or is that right wing lie?

Anyone can become a libertarian communist. The problem is not SJWs, it is people who cause division.

Which is something SJWs are notorious for doing.

[Jelmatt]

Yeah, spreading and legalizing child porn will curb child rape.

Say it again, Milo.

Child porn involves children in the production and sexually exploits them. It's different to a robot. Provided it isn't based on anyone in particulars likeness, I can see no reasonable objection beyond calling it icky in various ways.

Would regular sexbots stop regular rape? If not, then why would child sexbots stop child rape?

[The South Falls]

Child porn involves children in the production and sexually exploits them. It's different to a robot. Provided it isn't based on anyone in particulars likeness, I can see no reasonable objection beyond calling it icky in various ways.

Would regular sexbots stop regular rape? If not, then why would child sexbots stop child rape?

Child sexbots are simulations of child sex, so they won't stop rape. People don't rape because they don't have anything else to do.

[Jelmatt]

Would regular sexbots stop regular rape? If not, then why would child sexbots stop child rape?

Child sexbots are simulations of child sex, so they won't stop rape. People don't rape because they don't have anything else to do.

That was sort of my point.

[Canadensia]

Congress banned child sex robots thanks to feels over reals, thus banning a potential means to lower the exploitation of children because it made them feel uncomfortable.

If your objection to child rape is that it's icky, you have a broken moral compass, and no amount of them pretending otherwise and vilifying people for disagreeing with you will change that. The objection to child rape should be that, hey, a person is being raped. That's something sex bots can curb.

Yeah, spreading and legalizing child porn will curb child rape.

Say it again, Milo.

Not to drag the conversation off topic, but in regards to Milo's views on the topic, I think it's patently obvious he's had a traumatic childhood experience and can't reasonably be considered a genuine advocate of child pornography. The man's all but admitted to having been sexually abused as a child, and it seems natural that his views on the topic are a result of him never having really come to terms with his traumatic experience, and trying to find a means to rationalize it.

Don't get me wrong, I find the man an annoying contrarian with few genuine ideological convictions, but on the matter of child porn I think the man really can't be taken seriously in his views, and that more than anything he probably needs to see a psychiatrist.

Just throwing my two cents in.

[West Leas Oros]

So, on the subject of robots, what do y’all think of AI, machine sentience, and all that other stuff? Are robots with free will human? Should they be treated as humans? Are they a threat to us? Will they result in our downfall? So many questions. I personally see no real difference between a human and a free-thinking machine. They are human in all metrics except biology. Any danger they cause is likely to be dealt with using similar methods used to stop crimes perpetrated by humans.

[Puldania]

So, on the subject of robots, what do y’all think of AI, machine sentience, and all that other stuff? Are robots with free will human? Should they be treated as humans? Are they a threat to us? Will they result in our downfall? So many questions. I personally see no real difference between a human and a free-thinking machine. They are human in all metrics except biology. Any danger they cause is likely to be dealt with using similar methods used to stop crimes perpetrated by humans.

Humanity is idiotic to pursue ai any further. If they succeed, they'll end up rendering themselves obsolete.
Technology should focus its efforts into expanding machinery for labor tasks, so as to further ourselves towards workless society.

[Canadensia]

So, on the subject of robots, what do y’all think of AI, machine sentience, and all that other stuff? Are robots with free will human? Should they be treated as humans? Are they a threat to us? Will they result in our downfall? So many questions. I personally see no real difference between a human and a free-thinking machine. They are human in all metrics except biology. Any danger they cause is likely to be dealt with using similar methods used to stop crimes perpetrated by humans.

Something to be avoided at all costs, and if created to be exterminated immediately.

I'm not one to pout Terminator-tier alt-history nonsense, but realistically, sentient AI (let alone sapient AI) would be a major threat to not just humans but also our very notion of civilization, for two very basic reasons:

1) They, like computers and any form of problem-solving digital technology, would think on an entirely different paradigm to humans or biological life in general. Therefore meaning they'd have a completely different, likely highly reductionist, view of the world that would invariably make co-existence impossible.

2) Considering the above, it is inevitable that they'd form a hive-mind of sorts. Which, frankly, I don't think even the most die-hard, post-scarcity-obsessed Communist would be in favour of. It would mean the end of humanity and the birth of something so utterly alien to us that it could not rightly be considered a successor to our species and, as a result, is all the more reason why we must never, ever create artificial intelligence.

[Ostroeuropa]

Child porn involves children in the production and sexually exploits them. It's different to a robot. Provided it isn't based on anyone in particulars likeness, I can see no reasonable objection beyond calling it icky in various ways.

Fetishizing children doesn't bloody help anything. People are going to want "the real thing" after exploring that kind of disgusting behavior.

"Sex bots" aren't going to solve the problem of actual rape, and considering it's not something that's really around yet, you can't say that it will because you have no data to base this assumption off of. Porn exists already, sex toys, etc and none of that has stopped the tide of sex criminality, what makes you think another sex toy will?

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ng/423324/

Child porn involves children in the production and sexually exploits them. It's different to a robot. Provided it isn't based on anyone in particulars likeness, I can see no reasonable objection beyond calling it icky in various ways.

Would regular sexbots stop regular rape? If not, then why would child sexbots stop child rape?

No evidence on the former, some on the latter. Because by their nature people with pedophilic tendencies have no outlets other than ones that victimize children. It's worth noting that some turn themselves in and seek assistance. Providing a victimless alternative for them may increase the number willing to do that. People who want sex with adult men and women have alternatives to sexually exploiting them, including porn, and sex robots there wouldn't have as big an impact.

There was a successful push by the UK government in curbing child abuse by making adverts to explicitly appeal to people tempted to be pedophiles to turn themselves in for help and assistance without criminal consequence. The purely punitive approach doesn't appear to be maximally effective, especially considering these tendencies are often pathologies, and especially for large scale testimony and data on the pedophile networks and rings which those kind of initiatives provide by allowing some to turncoat.

I mean, if the problem is pedophiles maybe the solution shouldn't be to enable them by giving them little kiddy robots to fiddle around.

How is it enabling them? You're aware they don't actually choose to be that way, right? They choose to engage in it, but it's usually the result of pathology that makes them that way in the first place. (Often but not always having been victimized in youth themselves.)

In any case, the bots would probably curb the demand for child pornography, which in itself has impacts.

[Ostroeuropa]

So, on the subject of robots, what do y’all think of AI, machine sentience, and all that other stuff? Are robots with free will human? Should they be treated as humans? Are they a threat to us? Will they result in our downfall? So many questions. I personally see no real difference between a human and a free-thinking machine. They are human in all metrics except biology. Any danger they cause is likely to be dealt with using similar methods used to stop crimes perpetrated by humans.

They should be treated as sapient creatures if they demonstrate the potential for sapience. We shouldn't assume human rights would be relevant to them, their lives, their perception and experience of reality, and should allow them to articulate and negotiate with us the rights they want us to respect in return for them respecting ours, rather than just being like;
"You have the right to shelter, and under the law, it has to have plumbing and heating!"

and them being like;

"...Why?"

Likewise the notion of "Right to family life" might be completely alien to them, but the "Right to neural network with the robot community" could be paramount to them and so on, which might involve something like ceding them permanent rights for that purpose of a particular wavelength or set of bandwidth or whatever. Many of our rights might be irrelevant to them.