LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Cappuccina]

Genuine constitutional and absolute monarchies typically give higher clergy seats in the government automatically. The House of Lords for example includes all Anglican bishops, although the House of Lords is impotent today (and the UK is hardly a monarchy )

Ooh, you got a new sig displaying your awful views in a visually unappealing manner! I like it!

His sig also has a typo.......

Interesting to see such a brazen proclamation of "homophobia". It's almost endearing.

[Dumb Ideologies]

So...thoughts on EU article 13 and 11?

My main thought is "stop, what the hell are you mad bastards doing?!" And I say that as someone from the country that thinks teaching a dog to do a Nazi salute for a prank video is a criminal offence...

Seriously though, memes, parody videos and all kinds of other shite are in jeopardy and sites would have to either self-police by manually looking through all posts and deleting anything that uses a privately owned image as it's basis or (more likely) source in a draconian automated solution created by those representing copyright holders.

Website owners will either have to make their sites unavailable to Europe (a big loss in revenue) or roll this out globally, because no-one is going to maintain separate Freedom and Copywrite Curtain versions of their site. So it's of concern even to those who are non-Euros. Hopefully it gets voted down when it goes for the final vote at the Parliament.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Actually, DI seems to have put a good deal of thought into her positions and is definitely very intelligent, though I disagree with her on much.

Hence "acts", as in "acts stupidly in a playful, mocking manner". I totally agree on them having well thought out points.

The only way we can become people of the People in the current world is to make insanity our conscious choice.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hence "acts", as in "acts stupidly in a playful, mocking manner". I totally agree on them having well thought out points.

The only way we can become people of the People in the current world is to make insanity our conscious choice.

Simurghian/Chaos/Discordian cult when?

We'll reform the Anglican church since they're dying off anyway.
From now on it's High Church Principia Discordia and Low Church Chaos Undivided.

http://discordia.wikia.com/wiki/Greyface
http://discordia.wikia.com/wiki/Curse_of_Greyface
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principia_Discordia

Etc

[Cekoviu]

So...thoughts on EU article 13 and 11?

Horrifying. Hopefully there's enough opposition to get it voted down.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hmm... "Fascism isn't left wing tho."
(Also, i'm assuming "Pro-Islam" is more a case of being against intervention in the middle east, and perhaps dogwhistling anti-israel stances.)

Pretty funny that the remnants of the fascist movement in the UK are further left than the status quo on foreign policy, and more radically left on economics than Labour.

[Proctopeo]

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Hmm... "Fascism isn't left wing tho."
(Also, i'm assuming "Pro-Islam" is more a case of being against intervention in the middle east, and perhaps dogwhistling anti-israel stances.)

Pretty funny that the remnants of the fascist movement in the UK are further left than the status quo on foreign policy, and more radically left on economics than Labour.

Their being both pro-EU and fascist is interesting. Pokes some holes in the satellite picture.

[Firaxin]

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Hmm... "Fascism isn't left wing tho."
(Also, i'm assuming "Pro-Islam" is more a case of being against intervention in the middle east, and perhaps dogwhistling anti-israel stances.)

Pretty funny that the remnants of the fascist movement in the UK are further left than the status quo on foreign policy, and more radically left on economics than Labour.

Their being both pro-EU and fascist is interesting. Pokes some holes in the satellite picture.

Yeah, being pro-EU doesn’t make sense. You can’t have one state when there are other states, especially when the other states can decide things for your state.

[Proctopeo]

Their being both pro-EU and fascist is interesting. Pokes some holes in the satellite picture.

Yeah, being pro-EU doesn’t make sense. You can’t have one state when there are other states, especially when the other states can decide things for your state.

I guess the idea is that the EU can be useful for imposing authoritarian policies on all of Europe, and, later on, federalizing it under your rule.

[Dumb Ideologies]

This is not surprising as you might think. Post-WW2, a number of fascists and ex-fascists were among the early advocates of European federalism. The idea was borne out of this being the only way to resist dominance by either the United States or the Soviets and maintain the "third position".

Mosley wanted Europe to become one nation. Muh boi Otto was more of a moderate, and was criticised in some slightly bitchy open letters by Mosley for favouring more of a "Europe of nations", an association of free peoples with greater retained autonomy, but even he favoured political and cultural exchanges, as well as a form of customs union, and called his suggestions a "federation" in Germany Tomorrow, though they seem more confederal than anything.

I think both would oppose what the EU has become today with the free movement of peoples and ideological fetish for forcing countries to accept refugees, as both saw European identity as being based partly on at least a cultural Christianity and, for Otto at least, national units remained paramount. This is why the most surprising thing is that pro-Mosley group calling themselves pro-Islam.

[Cappuccina]

Yeah, being pro-EU doesn’t make sense. You can’t have one state when there are other states, especially when the other states can decide things for your state.

I guess the idea is that the EU can be useful for imposing authoritarian policies on all of Europe, and, later on, federalizing it under your rule.

The EU is as it is intentionally, so it is complex, confusing, and as removed from the control of the people as possible. I don't think they have any plans to federalize, I'd have little benefits functionally

[Irou]

So...thoughts on EU article 13 and 11?

I support it

[The Evergreen Dreamscapes]

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Hmm... "Fascism isn't left wing tho."
(Also, i'm assuming "Pro-Islam" is more a case of being against intervention in the middle east, and perhaps dogwhistling anti-israel stances.)

Pretty funny that the remnants of the fascist movement in the UK are further left than the status quo on foreign policy, and more radically left on economics than Labour.

you can cherrypick strasserites all day, but the fact remains that the main bulk of fascism has always been deeply right-wing

[Cekoviu]

So...thoughts on EU article 13 and 11?

I support it

Of course you do.

[The Parkus Empire]

Ooh, you got a new sig displaying your awful views in a visually unappealing manner! I like it!

His sig also has a typo.......

Interesting to see such a brazen proclamation of "homophobia". It's almost endearing.

Well I figure it's more fun to be an actual witch. :^)

[Ostroeuropa]

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Hmm... "Fascism isn't left wing tho."
(Also, i'm assuming "Pro-Islam" is more a case of being against intervention in the middle east, and perhaps dogwhistling anti-israel stances.)

Pretty funny that the remnants of the fascist movement in the UK are further left than the status quo on foreign policy, and more radically left on economics than Labour.

Their being both pro-EU and fascist is interesting. Pokes some holes in the satellite picture.

Mosley was one of the first political leaders to advocate for a united europe, as DI noted, many fascists were among the early advocates.

Yeah, being pro-EU doesn’t make sense. You can’t have one state when there are other states, especially when the other states can decide things for your state.

I guess the idea is that the EU can be useful for imposing authoritarian policies on all of Europe, and, later on, federalizing it under your rule.

It's more that Mosley didn't want Europe to lose its hegemony to the US or USSR.

[Dumb Ideologies]

His sig also has a typo.......

Interesting to see such a brazen proclamation of "homophobia". It's almost endearing.

Well I figure it's more fun to be an actual witch. :^)

Get the duck and the scales, we must verify.

[Cekoviu]

Well I figure it's more fun to be an actual witch. :^)

Get the duck and the scales, we must verify.

He turned me into a newt!

[Ostroeuropa]

This is not surprising as you might think. Post-WW2, a number of fascists and ex-fascists were among the early advocates of European federalism. The idea was borne out of this being the only way to resist dominance by either the United States or the Soviets and maintain the "third position".

Mosley wanted Europe to become one nation. Muh boi Otto was more of a moderate, and was criticised in some slightly bitchy open letters by Mosley for favouring more of a "Europe of nations", an association of free peoples with greater retained autonomy, but even he favoured political and cultural exchanges, as well as a form of customs union, and called his suggestions a "federation" in Germany Tomorrow, though they seem more confederal than anything.

I think both would oppose what the EU has become today with the free movement of peoples and ideological fetish for forcing countries to accept refugees, as both saw European identity as being based partly on at least a cultural Christianity and, for Otto at least, national units remained paramount. This is why the most surprising thing is that pro-Mosley group calling themselves pro-Islam.

The BNP also was "Pro-Islam" in that they wanted to end intervention in the middle east, and at one point they said they liked Islamic theology with regards to usury and banking. I suspect that's the Mosleyite position here too.

[The Parkus Empire]

Well I figure it's more fun to be an actual witch. :^)

Get the duck and the scales, we must verify.

THE SCALES OF JUSTICE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZllnptrzKOQ

[The Parkus Empire]

This is not surprising as you might think. Post-WW2, a number of fascists and ex-fascists were among the early advocates of European federalism. The idea was borne out of this being the only way to resist dominance by either the United States or the Soviets and maintain the "third position".

Mosley wanted Europe to become one nation. Muh boi Otto was more of a moderate, and was criticised in some slightly bitchy open letters by Mosley for favouring more of a "Europe of nations", an association of free peoples with greater retained autonomy, but even he favoured political and cultural exchanges, as well as a form of customs union, and called his suggestions a "federation" in Germany Tomorrow, though they seem more confederal than anything.

I think both would oppose what the EU has become today with the free movement of peoples and ideological fetish for forcing countries to accept refugees, as both saw European identity as being based partly on at least a cultural Christianity and, for Otto at least, national units remained paramount. This is why the most surprising thing is that pro-Mosley group calling themselves pro-Islam.

The BNP also was "Pro-Islam" in that they wanted to end intervention in the middle east, and at one point they said they liked Islamic theology with regards to usury and banking. I suspect that's the Mosleyite position here too.

I want to end intervention in the Middle East as well, and also like Islam's stance on usury and banking. However, I would definitely not say I am "Pro-Islam".

[Dumb Ideologies]

The BNP also was "Pro-Islam" in that they wanted to end intervention in the middle east, and at one point they said they liked Islamic theology with regards to usury and banking. I suspect that's the Mosleyite position here too.

I want to end intervention in the Middle East as well, and also like Islam's stance on usury and banking. However, I would definitely not say I am "Pro-Islam".

Congratulations. You're slightly smarter than the BNP and FOM.

[The Parkus Empire]

I want to end intervention in the Middle East as well, and also like Islam's stance on usury and banking. However, I would definitely not say I am "Pro-Islam".

Congratulations. You're slightly smarter than the BNP and FOM.

I wouldn't say it's a distinction in smarterness, just in values. If I want to end intervention in the Middle East, it's because destabilizing that region is what causes immigration to Europe. And if I have a problem with usury, it's that organizing the economy around it too much puts pressure to inflate the currency in order to make debts more bearable, and also to encourage people to give their money to usury (as other forms of savings will see the money's value rapidly decline with inflation).

[Ostroeuropa]

I want to end intervention in the Middle East as well, and also like Islam's stance on usury and banking. However, I would definitely not say I am "Pro-Islam".

Congratulations. You're slightly smarter than the BNP and FOM.

I'm not sure about FOM, but the BNP did it so they could dismiss accusations of Islamophobia by lurching into criticism of middle east intervention and accuse the speaker of being the real Islamophobe, and then praising the Islamic doctrine on Usury, to distract from the fact they didn't like muslims very much.

[The Parkus Empire]

Congratulations. You're slightly smarter than the BNP and FOM.

I'm not sure about FOM, but the BNP did it so they could dismiss accusations of Islamophobia by lurching into criticism of middle east intervention and accuse the speaker of being the real Islamophobe, and then praising the Islamic doctrine on Usury, to distract from the fact they didn't like muslims very much.

Not sure why "Islamophobe" is taken seriously as a term to discredit someone anymore than "Christianphobe"