LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Free American Empire-]

I have seen libertarians turn to alt-right way too often..

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

Well, people radicalize over time, especially if stuff's bad, or they are angry.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse ... _fascists/ Here's a good article on that.

[Conserative Morality]

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

Well, people radicalize over time, especially if stuff's bad, or they are angry.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse ... _fascists/ Here's a good article on that.

>> "Libertarians-to-Alt-Right types are pursuing a Nietzschean fantasy"

A N G E R Y

Nietzsche doesn't deserve that

[Liriena]

Well, people radicalize over time, especially if stuff's bad, or they are angry.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChapoTrapHouse ... _fascists/ Here's a good article on that.

>> "Libertarians-to-Alt-Right types are pursuing a Nietzschean fantasy"

A N G E R Y

Nietzsche doesn't deserve that

Meh, screw Nietzsche.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Well, people radicalize over time, especially if stuff's bad, or they are angry.

Sadly, in my view, most people become more conventional over time (what we used to call back in the 1960s, establishment or squaresville). I am one of the few exceptions among my friends of that era who have remained on the far left (and I am, by far, the most extreme).

Edit: I just read that link you posted, Why Internet Libertarians are becoming Fascists [unironic effort post]. I guess it depends on one's definition of radicalism, but I would call fascism reactionary, not radical.

[Conserative Morality]

Just see these superfluous ones! Wealth they acquire and become poorer thereby. Power they seek for, and above all, the lever of power, much money—these impotent ones!

See them clamber, these nimble apes! They clamber over one another, and thus scuffle into the mud and the abyss.

Towards the throne they all strive: it is their madness—as if happiness sat on the throne! Ofttimes sitteth filth on the throne.—and ofttimes also the throne on filth.

Madmen they all seem to me, and clambering apes, and too eager. Badly smelleth their idol to me, the cold monster: badly they all smell to me, these idolaters.

My brethren, will ye suffocate in the fumes of their maws and appetites! Better break the windows and jump into the open air!

Do go out of the way of the bad odour! Withdraw from the idolatry of the superfluous!

Do go out of the way of the bad odour! Withdraw from the steam of these human sacrifices!

Open still remaineth the earth for great souls. Empty are still many sites for lone ones and twain ones, around which floateth the odour of tranquil seas.

Open still remaineth a free life for great souls. Verily, he who possesseth little is so much the less possessed: blessed be moderate poverty!

[Conserative Morality]

Well, people radicalize over time, especially if stuff's bad, or they are angry.

Sadly, in my view, most people become more conventional over time (what we used to call back in the 1960s, establishment or squaresville). I am one of the few exceptions among my friends of that era who have remained on the far left (and I am, by far, the most extreme).

Funny enough, as a leftist in an academic setting, you are in a very real sense engaging in a socially expected conventionality.

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Funny enough, as a leftist in an academic setting, you are in a very real sense engaging in a socially expected conventionality.

Are you familiar with academia? If you were, you wouldn't say that. Your statement would be accurate for many sociology departments and some anthropology, English, and philosophy departments but hardly anything else. Most academics are annoyingly (from my perspective) conservative. For instance, new faculty are sometimes warned by old-time faculty to stay way from my (the sociology) department. Economists are particularly right wing. Then, when you get to the agricultural sciences, most of them are hardcore conservative evangelical.

[Conserative Morality]

Are you familiar with academia?

As a humanities major who was quite close with several of his professors, yes.

If you were, you wouldn't say that. Your statement would be accurate for many sociology departments and some anthropology, English, and philosophy departments but hardly anything else. Most academics are annoyingly (from my perspective) conservative. For instance, new faculty are sometimes warned by old-time faculty to stay way from my (the sociology) department. Economists are particularly right wing. Then, when you get to the agricultural sciences, most of them are hardcore conservative evangelical.

Society considers it expected and even natural that professors be leftists. You're no radical: you're just following a script.

[New Emeline]

Funny enough, as a leftist in an academic setting, you are in a very real sense engaging in a socially expected conventionality.

Are you familiar with academia? If you were, you wouldn't say that. Your statement would be accurate for many sociology departments and some anthropology, English, and philosophy departments but hardly anything else. Most academics are annoyingly (from my perspective) conservative. For instance, new faculty are sometimes warned by old-time faculty to stay way from my (the sociology) department. Economists are particularly right wing. Then, when you get to the agricultural sciences, most of them are hardcore conservative evangelical.

I would've guessed about the economists but I never thought about the agricultural scientists...

[Conserative Morality]

Are you familiar with academia? If you were, you wouldn't say that. Your statement would be accurate for many sociology departments and some anthropology, English, and philosophy departments but hardly anything else. Most academics are annoyingly (from my perspective) conservative. For instance, new faculty are sometimes warned by old-time faculty to stay way from my (the sociology) department. Economists are particularly right wing. Then, when you get to the agricultural sciences, most of them are hardcore conservative evangelical.

I would've guessed about the economists but I never thought about the agricultural scientists...

Economy departments are still dozens of times more Marxist than the general population in America.

[New Emeline]

I would've guessed about the economists but I never thought about the agricultural scientists...

Economy departments are still dozens of times more Marxist than the general population in America.

True, but that ain't exactly saying much.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Society considers it expected and even natural that professors be leftists. You're no radical: you're just following a script.

I have been teaching at the college and university level since 1980 (as a TA) and a full-time professor since 1985. What society expects is irrelevant. Most of academia, despite the mistaken view common on the right, is conservative.

[Mattopilos II]

Society considers it expected and even natural that professors be leftists. You're no radical: you're just following a script.

I have been teaching at the college and university level since 1980 (as a TA) and a full-time professor since 1985. What society expects is irrelevant. Most of academia, despite the mistaken view common on the right, is conservative.

Depends on the field, the university, the country....

[Dumb Ideologies]

Society considers it expected and even natural that professors be leftists. You're no radical: you're just following a script.

I have been teaching at the college and university level since 1980 (as a TA) and a full-time professor since 1985. What society expects is irrelevant. Most of academia, despite the mistaken view common on the right, is conservative.

This doesn't accord with my experience. Most of my history lecturers were Marxists and probably the plurality of the politics ones too, though there were a few righties in the political theory area. When I visited the sociology department it was a mix of radical social liberals and libertarian communists, with nary a single moderate, let alone a conservative, in sight.

[Mattopilos II]

I have been teaching at the college and university level since 1980 (as a TA) and a full-time professor since 1985. What society expects is irrelevant. Most of academia, despite the mistaken view common on the right, is conservative.

This doesn't accord with my experience. Most of my history lecturers were Marxists and probably the plurality of the politics ones too, though there were a few righties in the political theory area. When I visited the sociology department it was a mix of radical social liberals and libertarian communists, with nary a single moderate, let alone a conservative, in sight.

And now academia is bad.

I guess.

I never got the issue past the fact someone who is conservative has to defend their points better. And liberals can be really stupid.

Or go to a conservative university, since economics is kinda a neoliberal haven and all that.

[Dumb Ideologies]

This doesn't accord with my experience. Most of my history lecturers were Marxists and probably the plurality of the politics ones too, though there were a few righties in the political theory area. When I visited the sociology department it was a mix of radical social liberals and libertarian communists, with nary a single moderate, let alone a conservative, in sight.

And now academia is bad.

I guess.

I never got the issue past the fact someone who is conservative has to defend their points better. And liberals can be really stupid.

Or go to a conservative university, since economics is kinda a neoliberal haven and all that.

No value judgement, I am merely an honest salesmen of contrary anecdotes.

[Mattopilos II]

And now academia is bad.

I guess.

I never got the issue past the fact someone who is conservative has to defend their points better. And liberals can be really stupid.

Or go to a conservative university, since economics is kinda a neoliberal haven and all that.

No value judgement, I am merely an honest salesmen of contrary anecdotes.

Careful not to sell your anecdotes for too cheap a price, or they won't have value as data on the social media market!

[Painisia]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

[Mattopilos II]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

Not necessarily.

Just less ignorant on your subject manner.

If only conservatives would spend more time on biology from the shit they say.

[Dumb Ideologies]

No value judgement, I am merely an honest salesmen of contrary anecdotes.

Careful not to sell your anecdotes for too cheap a price, or they won't have value as data on the social media market!

I do it for love, not money. I live a moral and thrifty life of good character.

[Jelmatt]

And now academia is bad.

I guess.

I never got the issue past the fact someone who is conservative has to defend their points better. And liberals can be really stupid.

Or go to a conservative university, since economics is kinda a neoliberal haven and all that.

No value judgement, I am merely an honest salesmen of contrary anecdotes.

Thanks, but I'm not interested in anec--

Oh, you're gonna just step in I guess. No, I haven't heard-- oh, OK, fine, yeah. Listen, that's all very well, but I don't really *need* anecdotes righ-- no, I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, I guess... when you put it like that... fine, I'll buy some. How much? Oh geez, that's a lot. Can we--no? Ok, fine, I guess. Who do I make it out to? Right. Alright, goodbye!

Goddammit, why do I always open the door?

[Dumb Ideologies]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

Certainly better funded if you can couch research proposals in language acceptable to your peers.

Less "on the shoulders of giants", more "lip-service to the buttcheeks of your funding board and supervisor".

(t. a disgruntled failed academic)

It's like any place in life - to succeed you need to first make yourself appealing to the higher-ups. As they tend to be left-wing in your particular area of the academic world, you'll have to provide some sweet lip service in order to work your way up to a position where you have status to be a bit more dissenting.

It's not ideal, but rightists always say that they're not afraid of a little hard work and that they're much better than the poors at making long-term prudent calculations, no? Think of it as an opportunity :^)

[Mattopilos II]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

Certainly better funded if you can couch research proposals in language acceptable to your peers.

Less "on the shoulders of giants", more "lip-service to the buttcheeks of your funding board and supervisor".

(t. a disgruntled failed academic)

It's like any place in life - to succeed you need to first make yourself appealing to the higher-ups. As they tend to be left-wing in your particular area of the academic world, you'll have to provide some sweet lip service in order to work your way up to a position where you have status to be a bit more dissenting.

It's not ideal, but rightists always say that they're not afraid of a little hard work and that they're much better than the poors at making long-term prudent calculations, no? Think of it as an opportunity :^)

And the reverse situation would likely be worse... and probably more homogeneous.

[Conserative Morality]

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

Generally. A lot of conservative ideology is based on traditionalism without evidence, whereas liberals and leftists prefer to half-read secondhand pop-culture interpretations of academic reports. Going to institutions of higher education tend to tear down the former more than the latter.

[Cekoviu]

>> "Libertarians-to-Alt-Right types are pursuing a Nietzschean fantasy"

A N G E R Y

Nietzsche doesn't deserve that

Meh, screw Nietzsche.

Whoa. Rood.

I cannot wait going to university, studying social sciences and politics. But does one become more left-aligned, the more educated he is?

Generally. A lot of conservative ideology is based on traditionalism without evidence, whereas liberals and leftists prefer to half-read secondhand pop-culture interpretations of academic reports. Going to institutions of higher education tend to tear down the former more than the latter.

best description of academia I've ever seen, 10/10