LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Democratic Communist Federation]

I have seen libertarians turn to alt-right way too often..

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

[The New Sea Territory]

Once we must not live "for" anyone else, our freedom can be solely for ourselves. And this, to me, necessitates class struggle, among other things like LGBT, Black or even national liberation struggles.

How is class struggle not living for others? It is collectivism in its purest form.

I'm a worker. Wage labor does not benefit me. It's fairly straightforward.

[Painisia]

What do you all think of corporatism? I guess everybody here bears a grunt towards corporatism

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

he's a rightlib, what did you expect? :^)

The line is much thinner than one would expect by the supposed difference in ideology.

[Proctopeo]

I have seen libertarians turn to alt-right way too often..

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

Strange, because I've observed the exact opposite.
Left-libertarians tend to be quite authoritarian when push comes to shove, as I've observed.

[Cekoviu]

What do you all think of corporatism? I guess everybody here bears a grunt towards corporatism

I lean towards progressive corporatism/liberal corporatism, but I'm not devoted to them.

[Cekoviu]

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

Strange, because I've observed the exact opposite.
Left-libertarians tend to be quite authoritarian when push comes to shove, as I've observed.

How so?

[Rostavykhan]

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

Strange, because I've observed the exact opposite.
Left-libertarians tend to be quite authoritarian when push comes to shove, as I've observed.

I've seen Libertarians in general go the Authoritarian route when it comes to people they dislike, TBF.

[Proctopeo]

Strange, because I've observed the exact opposite.
Left-libertarians tend to be quite authoritarian when push comes to shove, as I've observed.

How so?

I've seen more left-libertarians in favor of curtailing civil rights like free speech, free press, and free assembly than their right-wing equivalents, speaking purely from personal experience.

Strange, because I've observed the exact opposite.
Left-libertarians tend to be quite authoritarian when push comes to shove, as I've observed.

I've seen Libertarians in general go the Authoritarian route when it comes to people they dislike, TBF.

Yeah, although I have seen it more out of the left than out of the right.

[Cekoviu]

How so?

I've seen more left-libertarians in favor of curtailing civil rights like free speech, free press, and free assembly than their right-wing equivalents, speaking purely from personal experience.

Is this support for really restricting those or protesting against particular exercises of these rights?

[The South Falls]

How so?

I've seen more left-libertarians in favor of curtailing civil rights like free speech, free press, and free assembly than their right-wing equivalents, speaking purely from personal experience.

I've seen Libertarians in general go the Authoritarian route when it comes to people they dislike, TBF.

Yeah, although I have seen it more out of the left than out of the right.

But, are people abusing those powers, or not?

[Proctopeo]

I've seen more left-libertarians in favor of curtailing civil rights like free speech, free press, and free assembly than their right-wing equivalents, speaking purely from personal experience.

Is this support for really restricting those or protesting against particular exercises of these rights?

Generally I've seen them take a third option, related to both; advocating for the restrictions of these rights under circumstances which vary across the entire spectrum of specificity.

I've seen more left-libertarians in favor of curtailing civil rights like free speech, free press, and free assembly than their right-wing equivalents, speaking purely from personal experience.


Yeah, although I have seen it more out of the left than out of the right.

But, are people abusing those powers, or not?

Does it really matter?

[Northern Davincia]

I have seen libertarians turn to alt-right way too often..

Right-libertarianism, unlike left-libertarianism, is generally authoritarian. Ron Paul talks about the U.S. Constitution like he was preaching on the Bible.

Nonsense. The US constitution, if one were to follow it literally, stops authoritarianism dead in its tracks.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

I've seen Libertarians in general go the Authoritarian route when it comes to people they dislike, TBF.

Anyone, anyone, can occasionally become a bit authoritarian when one is angry. It is called, um, anger. However, that is different from being an authoritarian.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Nonsense. The US constitution, if one were to follow it literally, stops authoritarianism dead in its tracks.

As commanded in the holy writ.

[Proctopeo]

Nonsense. The US constitution, if one were to follow it literally, stops authoritarianism dead in its tracks.

As commanded in the holy writ.

[The South Falls]

Is this support for really restricting those or protesting against particular exercises of these rights?

Generally I've seen them take a third option, related to both; advocating for the restrictions of these rights under circumstances which vary across the entire spectrum of specificity.

But, are people abusing those powers, or not?

Does it really matter?

But it does? We can't just "Rebel without a cause". Shameless James Dean promo #1

[Proctopeo]

Generally I've seen them take a third option, related to both; advocating for the restrictions of these rights under circumstances which vary across the entire spectrum of specificity.


Does it really matter?

But it does? We can't just "Rebel without a cause". Shameless James Dean promo #1

I don't think it matters if people are "abusing" their fundamental civil liberties...

[Democratic Communist Federation]

Anarchist Communist | Stirnerite | Slavic/Germanic Pagan | Heideggerian-Althusserian | Anti-Fascist.

Interesting. I know there is a split among Slavic/Germanic Pagans between pro- and anti-fascist factions.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

I have literally never heard of this.
I've never though "it's a female teacher, she's going to grade me lower cause I'm a male" and I've never heard anyone else say that at all.

If were talking about schools, how about dress codes being harsher for females because "males could get distracted"?

Yes indeed. School dress-codes are centered around policing girls for the simple fact that grown men could be attracted to them.

Also, teachers in my schools mostly assumed all girls were dumbasses. The would always assign a boy to them in group projects because they didn't think the girls could be intellectual about anything.

"Ostro is an idiot for thinking that men are oppressed everywhere. BTW, women are oppressed everywhere."

[Torrocca]

Yes indeed. School dress-codes are centered around policing girls for the simple fact that grown men could be attracted to them.

Also, teachers in my schools mostly assumed all girls were dumbasses. The would always assign a boy to them in group projects because they didn't think the girls could be intellectual about anything.

"Ostro is an idiot for thinking that men are oppressed everywhere. BTW, women are oppressed everywhere."

Everyone's oppressed 24/7 except for rich capitalists, get the guillotines and sing La Marseillaise, we're taking to the streets!

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

It's a study. Do you have a different one, or merely a bunch of feminist anecdotes and assertions, perhaps some cherry picked examples of womens issues without discussing mens to argue they're oppressed?

The study shows girls expect better treatment from the men but they don't give it, and instead treat everyone equally. This is in line with the study showing women being treated equally makes them think they're being discriminated against, which is likewise in line with the women are wonderful study. (Women have a huge in group bias, men don't, they are slightly biased in favor of women, but not as much as women are.)

https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/handle/10012/6958

Subjects were shown several vignettes of men interacting with men or men interacting with women.

Men who treated women better than they treated men were seen as not sexist. Men who treated women the way they treat men were seen as hostilely sexist.

It's almost like people expect to be treated according to their actual identity!
Are you too obtuse to pick up that men and women think and act differently in regards to social interaction?

So you believe that women and men should be treated differently? That women should be treated better? Oof.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

"Ostro is an idiot for thinking that men are oppressed everywhere. BTW, women are oppressed everywhere."

Everyone's oppressed 24/7 except for rich capitalists, get the guillotines and sing La Marseillaise, we're taking to the streets!

I'm Dad.

[Cekoviu]

It's almost like people expect to be treated according to their actual identity!
Are you too obtuse to pick up that men and women think and act differently in regards to social interaction?

So you believe that women and men should be treated differently? That women should be treated better? Oof.

We've moved on. [glares feministly]

[Free American Empire-]

"Ostro is an idiot for thinking that men are oppressed everywhere. BTW, women are oppressed everywhere."

Everyone's oppressed 24/7 except for rich capitalists, get the guillotines and sing La Marseillaise, we're taking to the streets!

And get baguettes.