LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Torrocca]

*Revolutionary Catalonia intensifies*

Petition to reinstate revolutionary Catalonia as a separate entity of Spain

Turn the whole world into Revolutionary Catalonia *nod*

[Puldania]

Petition to reinstate revolutionary Catalonia as a separate entity of Spain

Turn the whole world into Revolutionary Catalonia *nod*

Revolutionary Catalonia has inherited Russia

[Northern Davincia]

Petition to reinstate revolutionary Catalonia as a separate entity of Spain

Turn the whole world into Revolutionary Catalonia *nod*

Please don't make me miss Franco.

[Torrocca]

Turn the whole world into Revolutionary Catalonia *nod*

Please don't make me miss Franco.

This time, there won't be a Franco to save you :^)

Turn the whole world into Revolutionary Catalonia *nod*

Revolutionary Catalonia has inherited Russia

Russia? What do you mean Russia? There is only Revolutionary International Catalonia.

[Dumb Ideologies]

*Revolutionary Catalonia intensifies*

Petition to reinstate revolutionary Catalonia as a separate entity of Spain

Put it in a giant zorb so that it remains forever revolutionary and Stalin can't get in.

[Puldania]

Please don't make me miss Franco.

This time, there won't be a Franco to save you :^)

Revolutionary Catalonia has inherited Russia

Russia? What do you mean Russia? There is only Revolutionary International Catalonia.

SLAVIC CATALONIA

[Puldania]

Petition to reinstate revolutionary Catalonia as a separate entity of Spain

Put it in a giant zorb so that it remains forever revolutionary and Stalin can't get in.

is that that thing that walks on water?

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

The class struggle is a socioeconomic issue and by necessity requires intersectionality.

Precisely.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

My family was a union family, and I belong to the largest union in the U.S.

[Valgora]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

My family was a union family, and I belong to the largest union in the U.S.

The IWW?

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Please don't make me miss Franco.

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

[The Parkus Empire]

Constitution Amendment guaranteeing the right of closed shop when

Constitutional Amendment abolishing the federal government when

GLORIOUS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUajwtw2Esc

[The Parkus Empire]

Please don't make me miss Franco.

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

Fascism gets more sympathy from him than a crippled kitten when there's a choice between it and communism.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

The IWW?

The IWW is tiny - really tiny. The largest union in the U.S. is the NEA. My father was a union leader in the now-defunct Distributive Workers Union (District 65).

Marx was also a union organizer.

[Valgora]

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

Fascism gets more sympathy from him than a crippled kitten when there's a choice between it and communism.

That would imply he's actually an authoritarian statist.
Because that would be choosing an oppressive state over a stateless, classless society.

[The Parkus Empire]

Fascism gets more sympathy from him than a crippled kitten when there's a choice between it and communism.

That would imply he's actually an authoritarian statist.
Because that would be choosing an oppressive state over a stateless, classless society.

We all know how communist governments detest oppression and authoritarianism. :^)

[Dumb Ideologies]

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

Fascism gets more sympathy from him than a crippled kitten when there's a choice between it and communism.

I'd choose for the crippled kitten over either.

[The Multiversal Communist Collective]

Fascism gets more sympathy from him than a crippled kitten when there's a choice between it and communism.

How is being a fascist sympathizer, under any circumstances, any different from being a fascist? I mean, if you are sympathetic to something, you believe in it, right?

[Cekoviu]

Please don't make me miss Franco.

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

he's a rightlib, what did you expect? :^)

[Free American Empire-]

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

he's a rightlib, what did you expect? :^)

I have seen libertarians turn to alt-right way too often..

[Torrocca]

That would imply he's actually an authoritarian statist.
Because that would be choosing an oppressive state over a stateless, classless society.

We all know how communist governments detest oppression and authoritarianism. :^)

Anarcho-Syndicalist ones are better anyway :^)

[Valgora]

That would imply he's actually an authoritarian statist.
Because that would be choosing an oppressive state over a stateless, classless society.

We all know how communist governments detest oppression and authoritarianism. :^)

No communist government has ever existed.

[The Parkus Empire]

We all know how communist governments detest oppression and authoritarianism. :^)

No communist government has ever existed.

Governments fulfilling the Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto have existed

[Northern Davincia]

Please don't make me miss Franco.

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

I prefer Pinochet but beggars can't be choosers.
Fascism ain't my cup of tea, though.

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

Fascism gets more sympathy from him than a crippled kitten when there's a choice between it and communism.

You're not entirely wrong.

I didn't know you were a fascist or a fascist-sympathizer.

he's a rightlib, what did you expect? :^)

I-I just like the uniforms, honest!

[The New Sea Territory]

I think the only issue I have with this is what we mean by "individualist". I would say I am a radical individualist, probably more radical than most people who use that term.

I think the individual who remains uncritical when observing their surroundings does a disservice to their individuality. But this is exactly what an individualist who continues to revolve around liberal values, or indeed values at all, does both theoretically and practically. They do not recognize that their individuality is not their own, but is a product of the various ideological systems within our society which manufacture for them a "self", a persona they embody and uncritically claim as their own. For example, LGBT identity becoming accepted by liberal capitalism does mean a "liberation from hate", but only for the benefit of capitalists. LGBT identity becomes another commodity or another market.

The uncritical individualist's "self" is a commodity, hence 'self-ownership', hence self-exchange in the sense of selling one's labor for a wage. These are as "individualist" as arbeit macht frei was an escape....in no way whatsoever.

Rather, it is the Unique, the kind of being for which their is no comparison or manufactured self, the kind of individual who is not a subject, who can look on all the world as their own, and set forth a political project based on their own liberation. It's not simply saying "I want to be free from X or to do Y", but that my freedom is for myself. Freedom is only a means to my own ends. It's not simply saying "I wish to create my own values", but that the very discourse of values has as its foundations the language of metaphysics which must be deconstructed.

I think Wilde's provocative statement about socialism holds true: "The chief advantage that would result from the establishment of Socialism is, undoubtedly, the fact that Socialism would relieve us from that sordid necessity of living for others which, in the present condition of things, presses so hardly upon almost everybody." Once we must not live "for" anyone else, our freedom can be solely for ourselves. And this, to me, necessitates class struggle, among other things like LGBT, Black or even national liberation struggles.

Ah, but see, I value the idea of self-ownership. I guess as a right-libertarian, we are not going to agree on the benefits and/or harms of capitalism, like at all. But I think that it plays a part. See, the reason why I embrace Libertarian view of individualism is because I see it as the great defense for self preservation and defending my existence. When one is rejected from the communities that they belong to or identify with, then this gives rise and reason for a person to adopt individualist worldview.

Is it effective to take as a foundation for our individualism a concept dependent on capitalist notions of ownership and value? Because this is what "self-ownership" is. It is recognizing oneself as a commodity, to be exchanged (or rather, our labor, identity and ideas to be exchanged) for profit.