LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

[Puldania]

Yes indeed. School dress-codes are centered around policing girls for the simple fact that grown men could be attracted to them.

Also, teachers in my schools mostly assumed all girls were dumbasses. The would always assign a boy to them in group projects because they didn't think the girls could be intellectual about anything.

Being intellectual does not mean you're smart.

I'm aware.
You can be knowledgeable and be stupid, and be smart yet ignorant.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's a study. Do you have a different one, or merely a bunch of feminist anecdotes and assertions, perhaps some cherry picked examples of womens issues without discussing mens to argue they're oppressed?

The study shows girls expect better treatment from the men but they don't give it, and instead treat everyone equally. This is in line with the study showing women being treated equally makes them think they're being discriminated against, which is likewise in line with the women are wonderful study. (Women have a huge in group bias, men don't, they are slightly biased in favor of women, but not as much as women are.)

https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/handle/10012/6958

Subjects were shown several vignettes of men interacting with men or men interacting with women.

Men who treated women better than they treated men were seen as not sexist. Men who treated women the way they treat men were seen as hostilely sexist.

It's almost like people expect to be treated according to their actual identity!
Are you too obtuse to pick up that men and women think and act differently in regards to social interaction?

I'm pointing out that women, on average, have a problem with conflating preferential treatment on their behalf for equality and it's been routinely measured.

[Puldania]

>huffington post

ah yes the precipice of researched and sourced arguments, with lines like:

"Female teachers mark male pupils more harshly than they do their female students, research has claimed."

Really pegged me there with an astoundingly good source, mate.

So basically anti-intellectualism then. Got any studies arguing the opposite? This isn't the only study that shows it, it's prevalent and has been repeated.
Like i said, your refusal to interact with reality when it goes against your dogma doesn't justify your incredulity.

I have literally never heard of this.
I've never though "it's a female teacher, she's going to grade me lower cause I'm a male" and I've never heard anyone else say that at all.

If were talking about schools, how about dress codes being harsher for females because "males could get distracted"?

They seem at least subconsciously aware of it. Class consciousness among boys for sexism against their demographic is low, discussion of oppression is not necessary for it to exist, not be noted on a subconscious level.

Osto is the poster child for Confirmation-Bias

So you don't actually have an argument beyond not wanting to accept reality because it goes against your worldviews narrative about it. This is precisely why so many feminists are a problem.

I have enough life experience regarding school to know that what you say is not the case. Most people I know would agree as well.

Just because you've had shortcomings throughout your life doesn't mean male privilege doesn't exist.

[Ostroeuropa]

So basically anti-intellectualism then. Got any studies arguing the opposite? This isn't the only study that shows it, it's prevalent and has been repeated.
Like i said, your refusal to interact with reality when it goes against your dogma doesn't justify your incredulity.



They seem at least subconsciously aware of it. Class consciousness among boys for sexism against their demographic is low, discussion of oppression is not necessary for it to exist, not be noted on a subconscious level.



So you don't actually have an argument beyond not wanting to accept reality because it goes against your worldviews narrative about it. This is precisely why so many feminists are a problem.

I have enough life experience regarding school to know that what you say is not the case. Most people I know would agree as well.

Just because you've had shortcomings throughout your life doesn't mean male privilege doesn't exist.

Right so, anecdotes, rather than hard data. great, nice to know you're really putting the effort in.
I don't disagree male privilege exists, I also just think female privilege does, and one example of female privilege is discrimination against males in the education system. I think it's curious you think i'm arguing against male privilege, it's revealing of your worldview and how you think this works, a very unidirectional and flat understanding of sexism.

Merely by pointing out male disadvantages in some areas doesn't mean male advantage doesn't exist in others.

[Cekoviu]

WRONG. THREAD.

[Torrocca]

>huffington post

ah yes the precipice of researched and sourced arguments, with lines like:

"Female teachers mark male pupils more harshly than they do their female students, research has claimed."

Really pegged me there with an astoundingly good source, mate.

So basically anti-intellectualism then. Got any studies arguing the opposite? This isn't the only study that shows it, it's prevalent and has been repeated.
Like i said, your refusal to interact with reality when it goes against your dogma doesn't justify your incredulity.

If it's not the only study, then why not show something more credible than the HuffPo? :^)

[Puldania]

It's almost like people expect to be treated according to their actual identity!
Are you too obtuse to pick up that men and women think and act differently in regards to social interaction?

I'm pointing out that women, on average, have a problem with conflating preferential treatment on their behalf for equality and it's been routinely measured.

It really isn't that hard to understand. People like being treated like they're special. This isn't exclusive to women.

[The Parkus Empire]

Being intellectual does not mean you're smart.

I'm aware.
You can be knowledgeable and be stupid, and be smart yet ignorant.

Being intellectual is not necessarily the same thing as knowledge either. As there is a lot of intellectual stuff which is pure Kool-Aid.

[Puldania]

I have enough life experience regarding school to know that what you say is not the case. Most people I know would agree as well.

Just because you've had shortcomings throughout your life doesn't mean male privilege doesn't exist.

Right so, anecdotes, rather than hard data. great, nice to know you're really putting the effort in.
I don't disagree male privilege exists, I also just think female privilege does, and one example of female privilege is discrimination against males in the education system. I think it's curious you think i'm arguing against male privilege, it's revealing of your worldview and how you think this works, a very unidirectional and flat understanding of sexism.

Merely by pointing out male disadvantages in some areas doesn't mean male advantage doesn't exist in others.

Tell me about my understanding of the world then, o great master.

[Puldania]

I'm aware.
You can be knowledgeable and be stupid, and be smart yet ignorant.

Being intellectual is not necessarily the same thing as knowledge either. As there is a lot of intellectual stuff which is pure Kool-Aid.

I didn't mean intellectual in that sense, bud.

[Puldania]

WRONG. THREAD.

Blame Osto, this is what he always does.

[Proctopeo]

WRONG. THREAD.

tbf though
Feminism and leftism are highly intertwined

[Ostroeuropa]

Right so, anecdotes, rather than hard data. great, nice to know you're really putting the effort in.
I don't disagree male privilege exists, I also just think female privilege does, and one example of female privilege is discrimination against males in the education system. I think it's curious you think i'm arguing against male privilege, it's revealing of your worldview and how you think this works, a very unidirectional and flat understanding of sexism.

Merely by pointing out male disadvantages in some areas doesn't mean male advantage doesn't exist in others.

Tell me about my understanding of the world then, o great master.

It can be inferred from your line of argument and I just did.

I'm aware.
You can be knowledgeable and be stupid, and be smart yet ignorant.

Being intellectual is not necessarily the same thing as knowledge either. As there is a lot of intellectual stuff which is pure Kool-Aid.

Anti-intellectualism often cloaks itself in intellectual sounding guff, but ultimately without rigid adherence to materialism when discussing the real world, it's not intellectual.

WRONG. THREAD.

tbf though
Feminism and leftism are highly intertwined

Left wing politics involves equality, it's the definition, i've pointed this out to her a lot but she's got me on ignore, so just keeps screaming a demand i've already explained is nonsense.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.

This is left wing politics. That's the definition. I could go further and point out how this issue impacts the overall ability of professionals, makes public services more expensive, increases crime, lowers tax revenues, increases suicides, and so on, which in the feminism thread wouldn't be on topic as much.

For instance, if we had an additional 10% of university educated professionals, how much would that impact societies rate of technological, medical, and so on, progress?

[Puldania]

Tell me about my understanding of the world then, o great master.

It can be inferred from your line of argument and I just did.

Being intellectual is not necessarily the same thing as knowledge either. As there is a lot of intellectual stuff which is pure Kool-Aid.

Anti-intellectualism often cloaks itself in intellectual sounding guff, but ultimately without rigid adherence to materialism when discussing the real world, it's not intellectual.

tbf though
Feminism and leftism are highly intertwined

Left wing politics involves equality, it's the definition, i've pointed this out to her a lot but she's got me on ignore, so just keeps screaming a demand i've already explained is nonsense.

Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy.

This is left wing politics. That's the definition. I could go further and point out how this issue impacts the overall ability of professionals, makes public services more expensive, increases crime, lowers tax revenues, increases suicides, and so on, which in the feminism thread wouldn't be on topic as much.

For instance, if we had an additional 10% of university educated professionals, how much would that impact societies rate of technological, medical, and so on, progress?

You are wrong, however.

[Cekoviu]

WRONG. THREAD.

tbf though
Feminism and leftism are highly intertwined

Trump and gun control are highly intertwined. Doesn't mean people in the Trump megathread get to threadjack it into being about gun control when there's a separate thread specifically for that.

WRONG. THREAD.

Blame Osto, this is what he always does.

You're continuing it, which isn't helping.

[Puldania]

tbf though
Feminism and leftism are highly intertwined

Trump and gun control are highly intertwined. Doesn't mean people in the Trump megathread get to threadjack it into being about gun control when there's a separate thread specifically for that.

Blame Osto, this is what he always does.

You're continuing it, which isn't helping.

I stop now.

[Cekoviu]

Trump and gun control are highly intertwined. Doesn't mean people in the Trump megathread get to threadjack it into being about gun control when there's a separate thread specifically for that.

You're continuing it, which isn't helping.

I stop now.

My heartfelt thanks.

[Cekoviu]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Complaints about Ostro talking about feminism should be taken to the sacred cows thread. Thank you.

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

I'd rather the workers of each enterprise collectively owned the business, making unions in their current form unnecessary.

[Puldania]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

I'd prefer it without currency, thanks.

[Torrocca]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

*Revolutionary Catalonia intensifies*

[The Parkus Empire]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

Constitution Amendment guaranteeing the right of closed shop when

[Puldania]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

*Revolutionary Catalonia intensifies*

Petition to reinstate revolutionary Catalonia as a separate entity of Spain

[Puldania]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

Constitution Amendment guaranteeing the right of closed shop when

Constitutional Amendment abolishing the federal government when

[Valgora]

So... how about those trade unions? Don't you just love 'em?

The workers need to be organized.
Solidarity Forever