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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:05 pm

Libertarian Communist Planets wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:>Libertarian Communist Planets
>Same flag as of DCF
>Same signature
>Both are Jewish

who are you and what do you want


Huh? Who are you, and what do you want?

no u
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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:12 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:no u


I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

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The Liberated Territories
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Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:24 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:>Libertarian Communist Planets
>Same flag as of DCF
>Same signature
>Both are Jewish

who are you and what do you want


its a conspiracy!
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Great Minarchistan
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:53 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:no u


I have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about.

Don't be that low IQ dcf, try to figure out the cryptic references I've just implied :^)
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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:02 pm

Libertarian Communist Planets wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Libertarianism ruined another one's understanding of things. Such a shame :^)


Not sure if the poster is objecting to the fact that my parents were Jewish, that I am a libertarian Marxist, or both.

He’s not objecting to anything
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Eisarnathiuda
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Postby Eisarnathiuda » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:28 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Huh. Sounds alright to me. It could be necessary to have a strong government, to act as a guide or mentor, helping to direct the community. On the other hand, if it were too strong, it would become corrupt and tyrannical. Too weak, and it cannot guide others down the ideal path of emancipation. The collectives would direct themselves through elected officials, and the ladder would climb to the national level, and each level would direct its duties.


In the first stage of communism, I agree that a strong central government will likely be necessary. However, my hope is that, as we progress toward the second stage, localism will replace centralization.



"First Stage of Communism"

Assuming you ever get that far and survive ideological cannibalism.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:30 pm

Eisarnathiuda wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
In the first stage of communism, I agree that a strong central government will likely be necessary. However, my hope is that, as we progress toward the second stage, localism will replace centralization.



"First Stage of Communism"

Assuming you ever get that far and survive ideological cannibalism.


*laughs in, like, twenty French revolutions*
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Eisarnathiuda wrote:

"First Stage of Communism"

Assuming you ever get that far and survive ideological cannibalism.


*laughs in, like, twenty French revolutions*

Tbf, France experienced a lot of ideological cannibalism post-revolution.
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The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:45 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
*laughs in, like, twenty French revolutions*

Tbf, France experienced a lot of ideological cannibalism post-revolution.


The revolutionary ideals still won out in the end, which is my point :^)
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:46 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Tbf, France experienced a lot of ideological cannibalism post-revolution.


The revolutionary ideals still won out in the end, which is my point :^)

At the expense of many innocent lives, and years of chaos and destruction. :^)
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:51 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The revolutionary ideals still won out in the end, which is my point :^)

At the expense of many innocent lives, and years of chaos and destruction. :^)


Like literally every political event ever :^)
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Sat Jun 09, 2018 5:59 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:At the expense of many innocent lives, and years of chaos and destruction. :^)


Like literally every political event ever :^)

TIL elections aren’t political events. :^)
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:00 pm

Daily reminder that elections are a spook.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:03 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Like literally every political event ever :^)

TIL elections aren’t political events. :^)


>implying they don't cause chaos, death, and destruction :^)
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The Multiversal Communist Collective
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:52 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:Don't be that low IQ dcf, try to figure out the cryptic references I've just implied :^)


I think my Ph.D. is proof enough that I do not have a low IQ. However, no thanks. I would rather not spend my time playing mind games.

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:53 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:TIL elections aren’t political events. :^)


>implying they don't cause chaos, death, and destruction :^)

They don’t, unless Trump is one of the candidates. :^)
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Second Empire of America » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:59 pm

Torrocca wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:TIL elections aren’t political events. :^)


>implying they don't cause chaos, death, and destruction :^)


Exactly! My city's last city council election had tons of chaos, death, amd destruction!

(Technically it was just one guy stealing all the campaign signs from a candidate after the election already happened, me killing a spider with the election guidebook, and the city government renovating the sidewalk, but that's technically Chaos, Death, and Destruction.)
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:06 pm

Second Empire of America wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying they don't cause chaos, death, and destruction :^)


Exactly! My city's last city council election had tons of chaos, death, amd destruction!

(Technically it was just one guy stealing all the campaign signs from a candidate after the election already happened, me killing a spider with the election guidebook, and the city government renovating the sidewalk, but that's technically Chaos, Death, and Destruction.)


See? Irrefutable proofs :^)
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:16 pm

Second Empire of America wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>implying they don't cause chaos, death, and destruction :^)


Exactly! My city's last city council election had tons of chaos, death, amd destruction!

(Technically it was just one guy stealing all the campaign signs from a candidate after the election already happened, me killing a spider with the election guidebook, and the city government renovating the sidewalk, but that's technically Chaos, Death, and Destruction.)

pls don't kill innocent spiders ;-;
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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Sat Jun 09, 2018 10:31 pm

Cekoviu wrote:If our early societies had been less hierarchical, perhaps the vicious cycle wouldn't have originated.

The fact that they weren't is good proof of how unadapted to humanity lack of hierarchy is.
Liriena wrote:I think it's a perfectly useful and accurate concept in many cases, particularly when directed at people in positions of power who act maliciously or showing no regard for the negative consequences of their actions on others.

Kissinger, for example, is evil. Maybe he loves his grandkids, maybe he's a good husband, but that hardly balances out a career built on mass death.

Kissinger did nothing wrong, tho. No bulli that gud boi!
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Sun Jun 10, 2018 3:02 am

Aellex wrote:Kissinger did nothing wrong, tho. No bulli that gud boi!


It is a crime that an unindicted war criminal has been allowed to live his life outside prison walls (or be saved from execution).

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:34 am

Liriena wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Evil is not a useful concept.

I think it's a perfectly useful and accurate concept in many cases, particularly when directed at people in positions of power who act maliciously or showing no regard for the negative consequences of their actions on others.

Kissinger, for example, is evil. Maybe he loves his grandkids, maybe he's a good husband, but that hardly balances out a career built on mass death.

That moment when you realize that the US involment in Vietnam was ended by negotiations lead by Kissinger
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:40 am

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Aellex wrote:Kissinger did nothing wrong, tho. No bulli that gud boi!


It is a crime that an unindicted war criminal has been allowed to live his life outside prison walls (or be saved from execution).

How exactly is one a war criminal when they haven’t committed any war crimes? Even while he was a sergeant in the army during the waning days of WW2 he wouldn’t let any abuses happen to the German people under his command, even though he could have done anything he wanted as he had complete and absolute control.
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The Empire of Pretantia
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Jun 10, 2018 4:49 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Liriena wrote:I think it's a perfectly useful and accurate concept in many cases, particularly when directed at people in positions of power who act maliciously or showing no regard for the negative consequences of their actions on others.

Kissinger, for example, is evil. Maybe he loves his grandkids, maybe he's a good husband, but that hardly balances out a career built on mass death.

That moment when you realize that the US involment in Vietnam was ended by negotiations lead by Kissinger

Goddamn, what an evil man. We should've put him to trial.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 10, 2018 9:44 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:Just thought i'd drop in to criticize the dehumanization of the far-right and nazis and stuff and remind those who think this is fine of the reasons this trend began in culture.

Following WW2 the banality and normality of Nazis and their human characteristics was the focus for a time, up until about the 60s when criticisms of western involvement became more prevalent in cultural pieces, raising questions like;

"Where is the responsibility of the American Industrialists who helped Hitler to rebuild his army and profited from that rebuilding?"

Following this kind of discussion being started, media all of a sudden, FOR SOME REASON, lurched into portraying Nazis and the far-right as cartoonish villains with no depth of character or human qualities that no longer examined closely the reasons this happened, instead portraying them simply as bad people and that no further investigation or discussion was necessary.

That the modern progressive left supports that trend in large part is an insight into just how much of their discourse is polluted by lack of skepticism and inquiry, and ultimately serves the interests of capitalism consistently with their discourse on social issues.

I mean, tbf, the Nazis were fucking evil.

Yeah, though it wasn't the "generic TV bad guy who's doing evil just for fun" type of evil, as they're sometimes portrayed.
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