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by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 8:56 am
by West Leas Oros » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:07 am
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
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by The Xenopolis Confederation » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:17 am
by Aellex » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:06 pm
Torrocca wrote:I mean, it literally is. Do you think the revolution in France was done by the peasantry and not the liberal middle classes?
by Pilarcraft » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:07 pm
Aellex wrote:Torrocca wrote:I mean, it literally is. Do you think the revolution in France was done by the peasantry and not the liberal middle classes?
It was done by the Urban working class mostly, in fact. It was still a bit too early to call them Proletariat but the Sans-Culottes definitely were a proto form of it.
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by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:08 pm
Aellex wrote:Torrocca wrote:I mean, it literally is. Do you think the revolution in France was done by the peasantry and not the liberal middle classes?
It was done by the Urban working class mostly, in fact. It was still a bit too early to call them Proletariat but the Sans-Culottes definitely were a proto form of it.
by Aellex » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:11 pm
Torrocca wrote:I mean, the peasantry still got fucked by the revolutionaries all the same amidst their own subsection of the revolution. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pilarcraft wrote:Wait I thought the middle class didn't originally take sides in the revolution.
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:12 pm
by Pilarcraft » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:14 pm
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by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:15 pm
by Aellex » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:16 pm
Torrocca wrote:True enough. But we could've had early peasant socialism/communism/anarchism in France ;~;
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:19 pm
Aellex wrote:Torrocca wrote:True enough. But we could've had early peasant socialism/communism/anarchism in France ;~;
Unlikely, the peasantry was heavily monarchist and only the appeal to Nationalism with the Republic as the symbol of the country managed to win some over. Even so, the loyalty was mostly to the Nation itself rather than the Republic as an entity (which is why Napoléon had such an easy time once he took over.)
by Aellex » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:19 pm
Pilarcraft wrote:Friendly reminder that the revolution in France was one of the reasons socialism and communism as an ideology even were created. Besides, the last time something like that was seriously attempted in France was the paris commune... (Which, I have a feeling, is why Aellex hates anarchism lol)
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:20 pm
Aellex wrote:Pilarcraft wrote:Friendly reminder that the revolution in France was one of the reasons socialism and communism as an ideology even were created. Besides, the last time something like that was seriously attempted in France was the paris commune... (Which, I have a feeling, is why Aellex hates anarchism lol)
The Commune was sparked from a good intention but devolved into a disgusting mess.
It's not the reason I dislike Anarchism, tho, I don't give the slightest shit about what happen to fucking Parisians.
No, I just have a very Hobbesian take on society and see a strong State as the best way to ensure the prosperity and happiness of the population when Anarchy only bring despair and slaughter.
by Aellex » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:25 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 12:29 pm
Hobbes is a gud boi, no bully him. He got me a 16/20 at my Philosophy B.A.C.
by Cappuccina » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:36 pm
Torrocca wrote:Aellex wrote:Sorry but #teamPascal and as for Rousseau, heeeeeeh, guy was quite the cunt and for all his talk abandoned his own kids when they were infants. Repeatedly.
Even a hypocritical clock is right twice a day. Humanity's inherently good and only made bad by the state and authority creating the conditions that foster and facilitate badness. We have the potential to be egalitarian and free again, just gotta destroy the state and capitalism first :^)Hobbes is a gud boi, no bully him. He got me a 16/20 at my Philosophy B.A.C.
Hobbes is 2spooky4me, too much pessimism toward humanity ;~;
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:42 pm
Cappuccina wrote:Torrocca wrote:
Even a hypocritical clock is right twice a day. Humanity's inherently good and only made bad by the state and authority creating the conditions that foster and facilitate badness. We have the potential to be egalitarian and free again, just gotta destroy the state and capitalism first :^)
Hobbes is 2spooky4me, too much pessimism toward humanity ;~;
What would lead you to believe people are inherently good? Being good or bad takes conscious effort, I'd think humanity's inherent state is neutrality and amorality.
by West Leas Oros » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:50 pm
Torrocca wrote:Aellex wrote:The Commune was sparked from a good intention but devolved into a disgusting mess.
It's not the reason I dislike Anarchism, tho, I don't give the slightest shit about what happen to fucking Parisians.
No, I just have a very Hobbesian take on society and see a strong State as the best way to ensure the prosperity and happiness of the population when Anarchy only bring despair and slaughter.
Rousseau's view of humanity is a better one tbh
Hobbes is very spooky
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:52 pm
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:54 pm
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:56 pm
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Any talk of human nature makes me get my think face on.
The nature of which humans? From what culture? From what time period?
by West Leas Oros » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:56 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.
by Torrocca » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:57 pm
by West Leas Oros » Fri Jun 08, 2018 1:58 pm
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.
WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.
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