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LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
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63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
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2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
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Uxupox
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Postby Uxupox » Tue May 29, 2018 8:10 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Torrocca wrote:There's a wee bit of difference between Arabs and Muslims. Oh, and between a conquest and just radical acts of terrorism.


Israelis stole Palestine from the Palestinians. In the process, Israelis committed numerous acts of terrorism against, once again, the Palestinians.

In terms of Muslims, the vast, vast majority of victims of terrorism by Muslims are other Muslims. Similarly, the vast, vast majority of terrorism by Christians are other Christians or nominal Christians.

Terrorism is not a Muslim problem. It is a human problem and is one of the many contradictions of capitalism.


what does capitalism have to do with religious motivated terrorist acts?
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Postby Irou » Tue May 29, 2018 8:12 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Israelis stole Palestine from the Palestinians. In the process, Israelis committed numerous acts of terrorism against, once again, the Palestinians.

In terms of Muslims, the vast, vast majority of victims of terrorism by Muslims are other Muslims. Similarly, the vast, vast majority of terrorism by Christians are other Christians or nominal Christians.

Terrorism is not a Muslim problem. It is a human problem and is one of the many contradictions of capitalism.


what does capitalism have to do with religious motivated terrorist acts?

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Postby Reikoku » Tue May 29, 2018 8:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Almost no one does. By my count, there are only three regulars here who are libertarian or left communists.

Uh what am I chopped liver?


You aren't a libertarian communist though.

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 8:14 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Nobody has, he just likes pretending to be a victim of the essjay.

Tell that to many of our forgotten comrades, under the heel of capitalism, who are suddenly the enemy for being white men. Thanks for the solidarity! :^)

I have never desired and will never desire Left UnityTM.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 29, 2018 8:14 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Uh what am I chopped liver?


You aren't a libertarian communist though.

Communist no. Left-lib yes.

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Postby Uxupox » Tue May 29, 2018 8:14 pm

Irou wrote:
Uxupox wrote:
what does capitalism have to do with religious motivated terrorist acts?

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uhhh?
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 8:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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You aren't a libertarian communist though.

Communist no. Left-lib yes.

Well, he was specifically referring to libcoms and leftcoms, not flip-flopping moderates. :^)
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Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 29, 2018 8:15 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Tell that to many of our forgotten comrades, under the heel of capitalism, who are suddenly the enemy for being white men. Thanks for the solidarity! :^)

I have never desired and will never desire Left UnityTM.

Thought so. Of course, if this is the best the left has to offer, it’s no wonder. :^)
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 8:17 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I have never desired and will never desire Left UnityTM.

Thought so. Of course, if this is the best the left has to offer, it’s no wonder. :^)

Ah, you've upped your banter game in the last few months. But I must kindly request that you limit your cultural appropriation of the dorito face, you fascist. :^)
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Tue May 29, 2018 8:38 pm

I didn't want to post the entire extract in one message, so I delayed this portion of my essay until now. Comments, not attacks (!), are, of course, welcomed:

I wrote:One plan for resolving these problems is the two–state solution. My proviso: This two–state solution must occur in a global communist federation. Although I would prefer a one–state solution, a two–state solution will do. Conservative Israeli (Hebrew, יִשְׂרָאֵלִי, Yiśərāʾēliy) politicians play a little game anytime this dire issue arises. They pretend to support it as a strategy for opposing it. Basically, they are making a poker–face or bluffing. Although these politicians evidently oppose all policies which would prevent continued Israeli hegemony in the region, they bluff as a delaying tactic. When nations and human rights groups call for Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) against Israel, these hypocritical politicians cry antisemitism!
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Postby Lamoni » Tue May 29, 2018 8:40 pm

Jackania yugo wrote:
Mattopilos II wrote:
Also, last time the west tried "diplomacy" in the ME, it kinda didn't go too well.


Still, Saudi has to be dealt with. Unless you want more radical Muslims bombing...just about anyone, even other Muslims (they did attack a mosque in Egypt once), Saudi has to be sorted out.

Also, the US was the one doing all the diplomacy. The americans are incompetant fools, they think that a right wing group that's slightly more towards the centre is "left". They're either whinny bitches who find everything phobic and offensive or are bigoted rednecks (or greedy corporate oligarchs). One third of them are obose and their education system sucks. It's only a matter of time until a 2nd civil war and their collapse.


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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 8:40 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Thought so. Of course, if this is the best the left has to offer, it’s no wonder. :^)

Ah, you've upped your banter game in the last few months. But I must kindly request that you limit your cultural appropriation of the dorito face, you fascist. :^)

what culture is our beloved friend :^) supposed to belong to

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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 29, 2018 8:45 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Ah, you've upped your banter game in the last few months. But I must kindly request that you limit your cultural appropriation of the dorito face, you fascist. :^)

what culture is our beloved friend :^) supposed to belong to

*chanese culture, of course
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 8:45 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:what culture is our beloved friend :^) supposed to belong to

*chanese culture, of course

aha

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Tue May 29, 2018 9:02 pm

Reikoku wrote:You aren't a libertarian communist though.


I was just basing that on people who have explicitly said they were libertarian or left communists (or mention it in their signatures). I let other people label themselves. I don't want to label them based on their postings.

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Tue May 29, 2018 9:06 pm

Cekoviu wrote:I have never desired and will never desire Left UnityTM.


To me, left unity is, or could at some point become, an issue of survival. Why don't you like the idea?

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Tue May 29, 2018 9:20 pm

Uxupox wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Israelis stole Palestine from the Palestinians. In the process, Israelis committed numerous acts of terrorism against, once again, the Palestinians.

In terms of Muslims, the vast, vast majority of victims of terrorism by Muslims are other Muslims. Similarly, the vast, vast majority of terrorism by Christians are other Christians or nominal Christians.

Terrorism is not a Muslim problem. It is a human problem and is one of the many contradictions of capitalism.


what does capitalism have to do with religious motivated terrorist acts?

Neoclassical globalist speculators that manipulate the global behavior through chemicals on the water, HAARP and chemtrails ofc.
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Tue May 29, 2018 10:21 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:Neoclassical globalist speculators that manipulate the global behavior through chemicals on the water, HAARP and chemtrails ofc.


My friend, you might want to take a vacation from Alex Jones. :p

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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Tue May 29, 2018 10:35 pm

New Emeline wrote:Would you classify me as one of those people?


Sorry for the delay in responding to your posting. I get distracted from trying to do way too many different things at the same time.

The question is, Do you classify yourself as a left or libertarian communist? What I think doesn't matter.

Only you know where your heart is.

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Postby Great Minarchistan » Tue May 29, 2018 10:38 pm

The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:Neoclassical globalist speculators that manipulate the global behavior through chemicals on the water, HAARP and chemtrails ofc.


My friend, you might want to take a vacation from Alex Jones. :p

I... But gay frogs! GAY! FROGS!
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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue May 29, 2018 10:44 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
The Multiversal Communist Collective wrote:
My friend, you might want to take a vacation from Alex Jones. :p

I... But gay frogs! GAY! FROGS!


Fun fact, they did prove chemicals get into the water is making Fish gay/transgender.
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Postby New Emeline » Tue May 29, 2018 10:51 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Great Minarchistan wrote:I... But gay frogs! GAY! FROGS!


Fun fact, they did prove chemicals get into the water is making Fish gay/transgender.

It's not making them gay, just making them switch sexes.
Which some fish do anyway (albeit at certain times and certain conditions).

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Postby Oil exporting People » Tue May 29, 2018 10:58 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
Fun fact, they did prove chemicals get into the water is making Fish gay/transgender.

It's not making them gay, just making them switch sexes.
Which some fish do anyway (albeit at certain times and certain conditions).


Some being the keyword, not multiple different species as a result of chemicals being put into the water.
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Postby The Multiversal Communist Collective » Tue May 29, 2018 11:06 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:I... But gay frogs! GAY! FROGS!


I assume you are joking. Please. Tell me you are joking.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue May 29, 2018 11:36 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Tell that to many of our forgotten comrades, under the heel of capitalism, who are suddenly the enemy for being white men. Thanks for the solidarity! :^)

I have never desired and will never desire Left UnityTM.


The eternal problem with left unity is which parts are to be considered "left enough", who is to lead the union, and what the program would be. Thrice-daily splitting, perhaps?
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