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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 5:53 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!

That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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Irou
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Postby Irou » Tue May 15, 2018 5:53 pm

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Anti: Anarchism,Progressivism,Individualism, Antifa, Liberalism,Free market, , passiveness, Materialism,Atheism, Centrism,, Urbanism.
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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 15, 2018 5:57 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:no u

No U.


yes I

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?


... I may have to sig this.
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This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 15, 2018 5:58 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:no u

No U.

No US comrades!
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 5:59 pm

Ego, I
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 6:02 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

The market is a tool for distribution of goods and services, not degenerate paraphernalia.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 15, 2018 6:03 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Ego, I

You asked for it
This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 15, 2018 6:03 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Ego, I

You asked for it

Spooked
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 6:06 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

The market is a tool for distribution of goods and services, not degenerate paraphernalia.


Services like prostitution and goods like dildos? :^)
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

a libertarian, which means i want poor babies to die or smth

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 15, 2018 6:08 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

The market is a tool for distribution of goods and services, not degenerate paraphernalia.


... I swear, comrade Aillyria, it's a back massager.

(oh, yeah, why is porn considered "degenerate paraphernalia" again?)
This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 6:08 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!

This is why I love the free market.
RWDT - REST IN POWER
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 6:11 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

The market is a tool for distribution of goods and services, not degenerate paraphernalia.

List of items banned by the government for being degenerate paraphernalia:
  • Books that criticize the government, its policies, or a person in the government
  • Women's clothing that doesn't cover the ankles
  • Any form of anime or other entertainment from a foreign country
  • Clothing, trinkets, flags, etc. that represent ideologies like socialism, communism, capitalism, libertarianism, transgenderism, and homosexualism
  • Scientific tools
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RWDT - REST IN POWER
David Hume fangirl, massive Tuvaboo, and adherent of Fidel Castro Thought™. Also a moderate SWERF, traditionalist SJW, and Anglo-Catholic Episcopalian.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Tue May 15, 2018 6:17 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:Ego, I


出る釘は打たれる.

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 6:17 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The market is a tool for distribution of goods and services, not degenerate paraphernalia.

List of items banned by the government for being degenerate paraphernalia:
  • Books that criticize the government, its policies, or a person in the government
  • Women's clothing that doesn't cover the ankles
  • Any form of anime or other entertainment from a foreign country
  • Clothing, trinkets, flags, etc. that represent ideologies like socialism, communism, capitalism, libertarianism, transgenderism, and homosexualism
  • Scientific tools


1.) No, freedom of speech.
2.) Yes
3.) No
4.) For Capitalism, yes
5.) No
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

L/R: -5.38 L/A: +2.36 8values: Theocratic Distributist
I am female, Sorelianist, Sufi Muslim, Biracial, Murican
USN Vet, Semper Fortis dirtbags!!!

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 15, 2018 6:18 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:The market is a tool for distribution of goods and services, not degenerate paraphernalia.

List of items banned by the government for being degenerate paraphernalia:
  • Books that criticize the government, its policies, or a person in the government
  • Women's clothing that doesn't cover the ankles
  • Any form of anime or other entertainment from a foreign country
  • Clothing, trinkets, flags, etc. that represent ideologies like socialism, communism, capitalism, libertarianism, transgenderism, and homosexualism
  • Scientific tools


Add information (not advocacy for, simply pure information) about contraception and human sexuality.
This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 6:19 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:List of items banned by the government for being degenerate paraphernalia:
  • Books that criticize the government, its policies, or a person in the government
  • Women's clothing that doesn't cover the ankles
  • Any form of anime or other entertainment from a foreign country
  • Clothing, trinkets, flags, etc. that represent ideologies like socialism, communism, capitalism, libertarianism, transgenderism, and homosexualism
  • Scientific tools


1.) No, freedom of speech.
2.) Yes
3.) No
4.) For Capitalism, yes
5.) No


1 and 4 contradict
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 15, 2018 6:21 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:List of items banned by the government for being degenerate paraphernalia:
  • Books that criticize the government, its policies, or a person in the government
  • Women's clothing that doesn't cover the ankles
  • Any form of anime or other entertainment from a foreign country
  • Clothing, trinkets, flags, etc. that represent ideologies like socialism, communism, capitalism, libertarianism, transgenderism, and homosexualism
  • Scientific tools


1.) No, freedom of speech.
2.) Yes
3.) No
4.) For Capitalism, yes
5.) No


... really? You'd ban clothing that doesn't cover the ankles?
This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 6:22 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:List of items banned by the government for being degenerate paraphernalia:
  • Books that criticize the government, its policies, or a person in the government
  • Women's clothing that doesn't cover the ankles
  • Any form of anime or other entertainment from a foreign country
  • Clothing, trinkets, flags, etc. that represent ideologies like socialism, communism, capitalism, libertarianism, transgenderism, and homosexualism
  • Scientific tools


1.) No, freedom of speech.
2.) Yes
3.) No
4.) For Capitalism, yes
5.) No

Here's the thing. If you allow a government to ban things for being "degenerate," the second somebody with views that I listed gets into power they're going to ban all of the things that you don't want banned.
Also, you seriously believe in the misogynistic ankle ban??? :?
RWDT - REST IN POWER
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Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Aillyria
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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 6:22 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:
1.) No, freedom of speech.
2.) Yes
3.) No
4.) For Capitalism, yes
5.) No


1 and 4 contradict

No, they don't. You're free to say anything you want, but not have anything you want (like narcotics are treated already).
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

L/R: -5.38 L/A: +2.36 8values: Theocratic Distributist
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 6:24 pm

Aillyria wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
1 and 4 contradict

No, they don't. You're free to say anything you want, but not have anything you want (like narcotics are treated already).

Which is why narcotics should be legal. Also, banning people from owning something, which is required for speech using it, is anti-free speech.
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RWDT - REST IN POWER
David Hume fangirl, massive Tuvaboo, and adherent of Fidel Castro Thought™. Also a moderate SWERF, traditionalist SJW, and Anglo-Catholic Episcopalian.
/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 6:25 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:
1.) No, freedom of speech.
2.) Yes
3.) No
4.) For Capitalism, yes
5.) No

Here's the thing. If you allow a government to ban things for being "degenerate," the second somebody with views that I listed gets into power they're going to ban all of the things that you don't want banned.
Also, you seriously believe in the misogynistic ankle ban??? :?

That's why there are constitutions, Cekie. Things related to certain degenerative practices would be banned in constitutional articles.

And yes, I am a muslim after all.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

L/R: -5.38 L/A: +2.36 8values: Theocratic Distributist
I am female, Sorelianist, Sufi Muslim, Biracial, Murican
USN Vet, Semper Fortis dirtbags!!!

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Postby Jelmatt » Tue May 15, 2018 6:26 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:No, they don't. You're free to say anything you want, but not have anything you want (like narcotics are treated already).

Which is why narcotics should be legal.


I'm not sure if I'd be comfortable doing that, per se, but I'm all for decriminalization of all drugs.

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The Liberated Territories wrote:Ego, I


出る釘は打たれる.


"The nail that sticks out gets hammered down," according to a quick Google search, for anyone who's with me in not speaking Japanese.
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This nation does not represent my actual views. A semi-feudal absolute monarchy going through political upheaval.

Leftist; democratic socialist with a helping of civic republicanism.



"Thy enchantments bind together,
What did custom stern divide,
Every man becomes a brother,
Where thy gentle wings abide."
-- Ode to Joy (translated from German)
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Aillyria wrote:That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.


The market is the people Aillyria. You should know this. And if the people want hentai, who are we to question?

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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 6:42 pm

Reikoku wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:Ego, I


出る釘は打たれる.

猫ですね!
Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Here's the thing. If you allow a government to ban things for being "degenerate," the second somebody with views that I listed gets into power they're going to ban all of the things that you don't want banned.
Also, you seriously believe in the misogynistic ankle ban??? :?

That's why there are constitutions, Cekie. Things related to certain degenerative practices would be banned in constitutional articles.

That's just... awful.
And yes, I am a muslim after all.

Banning ankles for every woman isn't required by Islam. :|
RWDT - REST IN POWER
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/tʃɛ'koʊ.vi:.ju:/ (check-OH-vee-you)
Si ergo cogitare bonum non aesthetica Latine erras.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue May 15, 2018 6:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:In Game of Thrones I like to think they would support the Swallows or Brotherhood Without Banners. Most likely it would be Stannis or Daenrys who can offer the political stability in which social progress can occur.

It did bother me a bit how the show adapted the High Sparrow and his supporters. While the novels make it quite clear that they are fairly strict religious fundamentalists, not unlike Savonarola, the show really glossed over the socioeconomic dimension of their rise to power (which arguably made them more sympathetic) and pushed hard on the "ISIS of Westeros" angle. It felt a bit gratuitous and manipulative, specially when it came to their homophobia.

I thought there was a degree of that demonstrated in the series. What does it say in the books?

I thought the audience reaction was quite telling with them though. The gratuitous homophobia was very degrading to a sympathetic character, but it's interesting how that alone seemed to turn many viewers so quickly against "the mob". All the sorts of horrible and definitely gratuitous violence had been meted out by those aristocratic characters and their henchmen upon the poor seemed suddenly forgotten.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue May 15, 2018 6:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Harry Potter is why Blairites shouldn't write fiction.

I still love the books... but good gawd is JK Rowling a prime example of why "death of the author" is a good idea.

Ah well I'm too old and grumpy to read them again, but I too have a soft spot for them I suppose.
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