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LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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Bienenhalde
Senator
 
Posts: 3770
Founded: Mar 11, 2017
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Bienenhalde » Tue May 15, 2018 5:21 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:(except possibly animated pornography).


“Porn should be banned... except if its the kind I like.”


Actually, it makes sense, because in animated pornography real people would not be exploited as porn actors or made to have sex for money. But it still is certainly morally questionable.
Bienenhalde (mostly) represents my real political views.
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Aillyria
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Posts: 5026
Founded: Sep 13, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 5:26 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
“Porn should be banned... except if its the kind I like.”


Actually, it makes sense, because in animated pornography real people would not be exploited as porn actors or made to have sex for money. But it still is certainly morally questionable.

Exactly, the degeneracy it stands for would still be propagated. That is unacceptable.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Cekoviu
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Posts: 11371
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 5:29 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Yes.

No.

This isn't an argument.
Fun fact: the total insect biomass is estimated to decrease by 2.5% each year. If left unresolved, this could have catastrophic effects on ecosystems around the world.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Cekoviu
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Posts: 11371
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 5:30 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Actually, it makes sense, because in animated pornography real people would not be exploited as porn actors or made to have sex for money. But it still is certainly morally questionable.

Exactly, the degeneracy it stands for would still be propagated. That is unacceptable.

You misspelled "amazing."
Fun fact: the total insect biomass is estimated to decrease by 2.5% each year. If left unresolved, this could have catastrophic effects on ecosystems around the world.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Democratic Communist Federation
Senator
 
Posts: 3775
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:35 pm

Reikoku wrote:Yes, you're definitely an extremist. We're quivering in our reactionary boots, Professor. :roll:


It was the first, and somewhat sloppy, draft of what was intended to be a formal paper. However, I became a Trotskyist soon after writing the paper, so I dumped the paper and left it online.

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West Leas Oros
Minister
 
Posts: 2597
Founded: Jul 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 15, 2018 5:35 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No.

This isn't an argument.

How so?
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Posts: 3775
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:36 pm

Firaxin wrote:Unity of vision
Clarity of movement politically
Faster decision making
Idiocracy hopefully avoided


You left out lack of creativity and originality.

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Aillyria
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Posts: 5026
Founded: Sep 13, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 5:36 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Aillyria wrote:Exactly, the degeneracy it stands for would still be propagated. That is unacceptable.

You misspelled "amazing."

Girrrl, you actually had me looking for a typo, lol. :rofl:
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

L/R: -5.38 L/A: +2.36 8values: Theocratic Distributist
I am female, Sorelianist, Sufi Muslim, Biracial, Murican
USN Vet, Semper Fortis dirtbags!!!

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The Liberated Territories
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Posts: 11501
Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 5:37 pm

We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

Proud Veniceboo. Byzantium btfo

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Posts: 3775
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:37 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:TFW a mere quarter of my life ago, I wasn't political at all. I feel young now.


Almost everyone on NationStates, with a few exceptions, is young to me.

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West Leas Oros
Minister
 
Posts: 2597
Founded: Jul 17, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby West Leas Oros » Tue May 15, 2018 5:38 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!

No.
Also, you changed your flag. Why no amine gril?
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Firaxin
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1324
Founded: Sep 28, 2017
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Firaxin » Tue May 15, 2018 5:40 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Firaxin wrote:Unity of vision
Clarity of movement politically
Faster decision making
Idiocracy hopefully avoided


You left out lack of creativity and originality.

Well, everything has its problems and benefits. It's a question of whether or not you value the benefits over the problem.

Also, eventually that Aurocrat will have to be succeeded. ;)

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The Liberated Territories
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Posts: 11501
Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 5:40 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!

No.
Also, you changed your flag. Why no amine gril?


This was my original flag from 2013, so sometimes I need to go back to the good ol days.
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

Proud Veniceboo. Byzantium btfo

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United Muscovite Nations
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 20770
Founded: Feb 01, 2017
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue May 15, 2018 5:41 pm

Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:TFW a mere quarter of my life ago, I wasn't political at all. I feel young now.


Almost everyone on NationStates, with a few exceptions, is young to me.

Yeah, those of us who are posting in our 20's could be considered middle aged for the forum. People over thirty are considered old here. The average NSG user in the last NSG census was 15-17 IIRC.
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Cekoviu
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Posts: 11371
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 5:43 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This isn't an argument.

How so?

This is abuse, you want 12A next door.
Aillyria wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:You misspelled "amazing."

Girrrl, you actually had me looking for a typo, lol. :rofl:

Wow, I'm good at this. :P
Fun fact: the total insect biomass is estimated to decrease by 2.5% each year. If left unresolved, this could have catastrophic effects on ecosystems around the world.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Aillyria
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Posts: 5026
Founded: Sep 13, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 5:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Almost everyone on NationStates, with a few exceptions, is young to me.

Yeah, those of us who are posting in our 20's could be considered middle aged for the forum. People over thirty are considered old here. The average NSG user in the last NSG census was 15-17 IIRC.

*clutches chest*

I'm basically ancient by NS standards, as someone running up on 30. :?
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

L/R: -5.38 L/A: +2.36 8values: Theocratic Distributist
I am female, Sorelianist, Sufi Muslim, Biracial, Murican
USN Vet, Semper Fortis dirtbags!!!

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Democratic Communist Federation
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Posts: 3775
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:44 pm

Firaxin wrote:Well, everything has its problems and benefits. It's a question of whether or not you value the benefits over the problem.

Also, eventually that Aurocrat will have to be succeeded. ;)


I will join the revolution and attempt to see that s/he will never be succeeded.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7788
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:45 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
“Porn should be banned... except if its the kind I like.”


Actually, it makes sense, because in animated pornography real people would not be exploited as porn actors or made to have sex for money. But it still is certainly morally questionable.

e x p l o i t a t i o n
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Psychedelic Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Posts: 7788
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:45 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:No.

This isn't an argument.

no u
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Psychedelic Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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Democratic Communist Federation
Senator
 
Posts: 3775
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:46 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yeah, those of us who are posting in our 20's could be considered middle aged for the forum. People over thirty are considered old here. The average NSG user in the last NSG census was 15-17 IIRC.


That makes me long deceased.

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The Liberated Territories
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Posts: 11501
Founded: Dec 03, 2013
Capitalizt

Postby The Liberated Territories » Tue May 15, 2018 5:46 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
Actually, it makes sense, because in animated pornography real people would not be exploited as porn actors or made to have sex for money. But it still is certainly morally questionable.

e x p l o i t a t i o n


Who needs women when you have virtual waifus anyway?
"Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig."
—Robert Heinlein

Proud Veniceboo. Byzantium btfo

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Cekoviu
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Posts: 11371
Founded: Oct 18, 2017
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Cekoviu » Tue May 15, 2018 5:47 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:This isn't an argument.

no u

No U.
Fun fact: the total insect biomass is estimated to decrease by 2.5% each year. If left unresolved, this could have catastrophic effects on ecosystems around the world.
Torrocca wrote:"Your honor, it was not mein fault! I didn't order the systematic genocide of millions of people, it was the twenty kilograms of pure-cut Bavarian cocaine that did it!"
Liriena wrote:anyone to the left of Pinochet: *exists*

right-wingers: wat about vuvuzelaaa lmao gottem

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Aillyria
Negotiator
 
Posts: 5026
Founded: Sep 13, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Aillyria » Tue May 15, 2018 5:48 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!

That's Capitalism's natural tendency, tbh.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

L/R: -5.38 L/A: +2.36 8values: Theocratic Distributist
I am female, Sorelianist, Sufi Muslim, Biracial, Murican
USN Vet, Semper Fortis dirtbags!!!

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Democratic Communist Federation
Senator
 
Posts: 3775
Founded: Jul 14, 2017
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Democratic Communist Federation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:49 pm

Aillyria wrote:I'm basically ancient by NS standards, as someone running up on 30. :?


I am the preexistent one.

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The Xenopolis Confederation
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7788
Founded: Aug 11, 2017
Anarchy

Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue May 15, 2018 5:51 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:We should commoditize degeneracy. Capitalism, ho!

Indeed.
Pro: Liberty, Liberalism, Capitalism, Secularism, Equal opportunity, Direct Democracy, Windows Chauvinism, Psychedelic Rock, LGBT+ Rights, Live and let live tbh.
Against: Authoritarianism, Traditionalism, Non-Market-Socialism, Laissez-Faire Capitalism, Autocracy, (A)Theocracy, Macs, "The ends justify the means," Collectivism in all its forms.
Economic: 0.5
Social: -8
I'm an 18 year old Australian who tries to think about things but fails, as we all do. I'll regret this in 2 years tops.

I think I have gender dysphoria so I'd prefer you use she/her pronouns on me. If not, he/him'll do.

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