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Favorite Left Wing Novelist or Playwright

George Orwell
141
63%
Leo Tolstoy
28
13%
Maxim Gorky
4
2%
Oscar Wilde
17
8%
John Sommerfield
1
0%
Nikolay Ostrovsky
3
1%
Andrei Bely
1
0%
John Steinbeck
22
10%
Arthur Miller
6
3%
 
Total votes : 223

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The Xenopolis Confederation
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Mon May 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Neue-Australia wrote:You bunch of communistic capitalist. you should all follow anarcho-fascism

A grand welcome to you, too. :)

Ignore him, he's a h e c k i n g a n a r c h i s t
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Mon May 14, 2018 6:35 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:A grand welcome to you, too. :)

Ignore him, he's a h e c k i n g a n a r c h i s t

I’m sorry ya c*nt, but this a fookin Australian server, so not enough bloody swearing ya fookin betch.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
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Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Postby Liriena » Mon May 14, 2018 6:37 pm

Cekoviu wrote:What do people here think of anarcho-transhumanism? I think the flag is pretty cool, but otherwise I don't really have an opinion on it.

I mean, given the fact that I'm terrified of my own mortality and I haven't found my way back to religion yet, it sounds alright.

I've actually been thinking for a while about the long, long, long, loooooooooooong term implications of transhumanism. Like, what it's gonna be like millions or billions of years from now when transhumanist advances have delivered us immortality, and technology grants us full control over the rest of existence on every level? What if we could, conceivably, make ourselves and the universe truly eternal? What would that do to our minds in the long run?
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Mattopilos II
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Postby Mattopilos II » Mon May 14, 2018 6:37 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Democratic Communist Federation wrote:
Laughing about fascism may make the person feel better, but it will not destroy fascism.

Haven’t you used debating and rational thinking to oppose fascism? Most resistance groups within Nazi Germany were nonviolent groups of intellectuals.


And that worked well, with the Nazis never being able to shoot a single bullet

oh wait
Anarchist without adjectives, Post-Leftist, Anti-theist, STEM major.
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Mon May 14, 2018 6:38 pm

Mattopilos II wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:Haven’t you used debating and rational thinking to oppose fascism? Most resistance groups within Nazi Germany were nonviolent groups of intellectuals.


And that worked well, with the Nazis never being able to shoot a single bullet

oh wait

Bullets are a spook. :^)
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Mon May 14, 2018 6:40 pm

Liriena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What do people here think of anarcho-transhumanism? I think the flag is pretty cool, but otherwise I don't really have an opinion on it.

I mean, given the fact that I'm terrified of my own mortality and I haven't found my way back to religion yet, it sounds alright.

I've actually been thinking for a while about the long, long, long, loooooooooooong term implications of transhumanism. Like, what it's gonna be like millions or billions of years from now when transhumanist advances have delivered us immortality, and technology grants us full control over the rest of existence on every level? What if we could, conceivably, make ourselves and the universe truly eternal? What would that do to our minds in the long run?

OF COURSE THIS IS A THING
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon May 14, 2018 6:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:What do people here think of anarcho-transhumanism? I think the flag is pretty cool, but otherwise I don't really have an opinion on it.

I mean, given the fact that I'm terrified of my own mortality and I haven't found my way back to religion yet, it sounds alright.

I've actually been thinking for a while about the long, long, long, loooooooooooong term implications of transhumanism. Like, what it's gonna be like millions or billions of years from now when transhumanist advances have delivered us immortality, and technology grants us full control over the rest of existence on every level? What if we could, conceivably, make ourselves and the universe truly eternal? What would that do to our minds in the long run?

I really doubt that the universe could be made eternal unless we become so technologically advanced that we can transcend reality, and I don't know that I want to live in that world.
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Uiiop
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Uiiop » Mon May 14, 2018 6:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:What do people here think of anarcho-transhumanism? I think the flag is pretty cool, but otherwise I don't really have an opinion on it.

Nice thing to have ideally.
But practically speaking the Transhumanist movement in general is more of a hype train than anything else.

This in itself isn't a bad thing but there's needs to more focus on the problems of the here and now rather than waiting for the gamechanger and/or dreading AI world vore.
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Kvatchdom
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Iron Fist Socialists

Postby Kvatchdom » Mon May 14, 2018 6:48 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:If they have nazi tattoos and they wave NRM flags I'm going to assume they're fascists.

But I wouldn’t assume every fascist is pro mass murder. You don’t like others assuming your beliefs, and I don’t either. Not all communists are Stalin, not all fascists are Hitler, etc.

Oh I don't assume that of fascists, but I do assume it for nazis and neo nazis, because that's what their ideology is about.
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Liriena
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Postby Liriena » Mon May 14, 2018 6:50 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Liriena wrote:I mean, given the fact that I'm terrified of my own mortality and I haven't found my way back to religion yet, it sounds alright.

I've actually been thinking for a while about the long, long, long, loooooooooooong term implications of transhumanism. Like, what it's gonna be like millions or billions of years from now when transhumanist advances have delivered us immortality, and technology grants us full control over the rest of existence on every level? What if we could, conceivably, make ourselves and the universe truly eternal? What would that do to our minds in the long run?

I really doubt that the universe could be made eternal unless we become so technologically advanced that we can transcend reality, and I don't know that I want to live in that world.

What a plot twist that would be, though. Humanity becomes the sort of interdimensional Eldritch abomination we wrote so many horror stories about. :P

But seriously, assuming that at no point we get annihilated by nature, or annihilate ourselves like a bunch of jackasses, we have billions of years ahead of us to go crazy with science and technology.
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A pansexual, pantheist, green socialist
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Gythal
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Postby Gythal » Mon May 14, 2018 7:02 pm

Liriena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I really doubt that the universe could be made eternal unless we become so technologically advanced that we can transcend reality, and I don't know that I want to live in that world.

What a plot twist that would be, though. Humanity becomes the sort of interdimensional Eldritch abomination we wrote so many horror stories about. :P

But seriously, assuming that at no point we get annihilated by nature, or annihilate ourselves like a bunch of jackasses, we have billions of years ahead of us to go crazy with science and technology.

billions?
Why not decades?
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West Leas Oros
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Postby West Leas Oros » Mon May 14, 2018 7:03 pm

Kvatchdom wrote:
West Leas Oros wrote:But I wouldn’t assume every fascist is pro mass murder. You don’t like others assuming your beliefs, and I don’t either. Not all communists are Stalin, not all fascists are Hitler, etc.

Oh I don't assume that of fascists, but I do assume it for nazis and neo nazis, because that's what their ideology is about.

That’s probably the most insightful thing I’ve heard about this topic. You’re not like others, misusing political ideologies as meaningless slander.
Just your friendly neighborhood democratic socialist revisionist traitor.
PMT nation. Economically to the left of Karl Marx. Social justice is a bourgeois plot.
Brothers and sisters are natural enemies, like fascists and communists. Or libertarians and communists. Or social democrats and communists. Or communists and other communists! Damn commies, they ruined communism!"

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Oros, no. Please. You were the chosen one. You were meant to debunk the tankies, not join them. Bring balance to the left, not leave it in darkness.

WLO Public News: Protest turns violent as Orosian Anarchists burn building. 2 found dead, 8 injured. Investigation continues.

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Kvatchdom
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Postby Kvatchdom » Mon May 14, 2018 7:07 pm

West Leas Oros wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Oh I don't assume that of fascists, but I do assume it for nazis and neo nazis, because that's what their ideology is about.

That’s probably the most insightful thing I’ve heard about this topic. You’re not like others, misusing political ideologies as meaningless slander.

I used to have sympathies towards fascism, but the ethnic nationalist bits of it and national socialism as a whole are just disgusting and obviously genocidal ideologies. Fascism itself has too many variants and forms to be wholly used as an umbrella term at nazis.
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Cekoviu
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon May 14, 2018 7:09 pm

Liriena wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I really doubt that the universe could be made eternal unless we become so technologically advanced that we can transcend reality, and I don't know that I want to live in that world.

What a plot twist that would be, though. Humanity becomes the sort of interdimensional Eldritch abomination we wrote so many horror stories about. :P

But seriously, assuming that at no point we get annihilated by nature, or annihilate ourselves like a bunch of jackasses, we have billions of years ahead of us to go crazy with science and technology.

Eh, I'm pretty sure we're going to die out within the next several hundred years, maybe a thousand if we're lucky. Plus, there is a natural limit to how far science can go.
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New Emeline
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 14, 2018 7:09 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Liriena wrote:What a plot twist that would be, though. Humanity becomes the sort of interdimensional Eldritch abomination we wrote so many horror stories about. :P

But seriously, assuming that at no point we get annihilated by nature, or annihilate ourselves like a bunch of jackasses, we have billions of years ahead of us to go crazy with science and technology.

Eh, I'm pretty sure we're going to die out within the next several hundred years, maybe a thousand if we're lucky. Plus, there is a natural limit to how far science can go.

How do you know that though?

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Postby Cekoviu » Mon May 14, 2018 7:10 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Eh, I'm pretty sure we're going to die out within the next several hundred years, maybe a thousand if we're lucky. Plus, there is a natural limit to how far science can go.

How do you know that though?

Which statement?
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Postby Uiiop » Mon May 14, 2018 7:11 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Liriena wrote:What a plot twist that would be, though. Humanity becomes the sort of interdimensional Eldritch abomination we wrote so many horror stories about. :P

But seriously, assuming that at no point we get annihilated by nature, or annihilate ourselves like a bunch of jackasses, we have billions of years ahead of us to go crazy with science and technology.

Eh, I'm pretty sure we're going to die out within the next several hundred years, maybe a thousand if we're lucky. Plus, there is a natural limit to how far science can go.

So it seems anyways....

I mean it could really be that way but the some limits of science has can make you unsure of other limits.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon May 14, 2018 7:12 pm

Welp, it's time for me to reveal who I truly am, since Ostro found me out as apparently anti-semitic and some kind of fake leftist...

Comrades... I'm...

I'm...

I'M AN ANARCHO-AUTHORITARIAN-LIBERTARIAN-FASCIST-JACOBIN
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 14, 2018 7:13 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:How do you know that though?

Which statement?

First and second

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Postby Liriena » Mon May 14, 2018 7:17 pm

Torrocca wrote:Welp, it's time for me to reveal who I truly am, since Ostro found me out as apparently anti-semitic and some kind of fake leftist...

Comrades... I'm...

I'm...

I'M AN ANARCHO-AUTHORITARIAN-LIBERTARIAN-FASCIST-JACOBIN

With Chinese characteristics, I hope. :P
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Political compass stuff:
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For: Grassroots democracy, workers' self-management, humanitarianism, pacifism, pluralism, environmentalism, interculturalism, indigenous rights, minority rights, LGBT+ rights, feminism, optimism
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Postby Torrocca » Mon May 14, 2018 7:17 pm

Liriena wrote:
Torrocca wrote:Welp, it's time for me to reveal who I truly am, since Ostro found me out as apparently anti-semitic and some kind of fake leftist...

Comrades... I'm...

I'm...

I'M AN ANARCHO-AUTHORITARIAN-LIBERTARIAN-FASCIST-JACOBIN

With Chinese characteristics, I hope. :P


Khmer Rouge and Attila the Hun characteristics, I'm afraid. :P
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 14, 2018 7:18 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Liriena wrote:With Chinese characteristics, I hope. :P


Khmer Rouge and Attila the Hun characteristics, I'm afraid. :P

Khmer Rouge?
:shock:
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Postby Cekoviu » Mon May 14, 2018 7:19 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Which statement?

First and second

Ah. Climate change implies the first, though I think carbon capture and storage technology may be our savior. If we can get past that obstacle, there are other potential dangers -- if the last remaining humans are on Mars, a mass extinction event like an asteroid could occur and end our species; if we continue on our scientific path and create an AI too powerful, it could choose to annihilate humanity; etc.
As for the second, it's taking the simplest solution when evidence cannot prove or disprove whether humans can actually completely escape the laws of physics through technology.
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Postby Torrocca » Mon May 14, 2018 7:20 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Khmer Rouge and Attila the Hun characteristics, I'm afraid. :P

Khmer Rouge?
:shock:
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Postby New Emeline » Mon May 14, 2018 7:20 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
New Emeline wrote:First and second

Ah. Climate change implies the first, though I think carbon capture and storage technology may be our savior. If we can get past that obstacle, there are other potential dangers -- if the last remaining humans are on Mars, a mass extinction event like an asteroid could occur and end our species; if we continue on our scientific path and create an AI too powerful, it could choose to annihilate humanity; etc.
As for the second, it's taking the simplest solution when evidence cannot prove or disprove whether humans can actually completely escape the laws of physics through technology.

Okay, I get it

but you're assuming the laws of physics are absolute and not something we assume to be true because of our limited understanding ;)

i think i've been reading too much sci-fi

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