LWDT V: Completing the Five Thread Plan

by **United Muscovite Nations** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:27 pm

The Left-Wing Discussion Thread
Vol. V
It is with great and heartfelt thanks that I congratulate you on the completion of the First Five Thread Plan!*

Слава Коммунистической партии Советского Союза, слава Ленину, слава Сталину, слава мудрой партии большевиков!
Slava Kommunisticheskoy partii Sovetskogo Soyuza, slava Leninu, slava Stalinu, slava mudroy partii bol'shevikov!

So I'll steal Comrade Conscentia's words, and post format, and resources and welcome you all once again to the Left-Wing Discussion Thread (LWDT), where all are welcome to discuss all matters pertaining to the political left. This is a discussion thread about left-wing politics, not a thread exclusively for left-wing people. All are invited to post here, as long as discussion pertains to the topic and complies with the forum rules.

Suggestions for improvements, changes, or additions to the poll and opening post are very welcome.

The previous iteration of the LWDT can be found here.

Relevant subjects for discussion include:

The politics, philosophies, and ideologies of the political left.
Left-wing perspectives on economics and political economy.
News and history relevant to the political left.
Left-wing responses to current events.
Left-wing perspectives on social and economic problems.
Political, social, cultural, and economic problems and their solutions according to the political left.
The problems facing particular left-wing movements or the political left in general, and how to resolve them.

Poll History:

”What type of leftist are you?”

Left-leaning Centrist - 50 (12%)
Social Liberal - 57 (14%)
Social Democrat - 62 (15%)
Democratic Socialist - 80 (19%)
Marxist Communist - 59 (14%)
Anarchist Communist - 41 (10%)
Collectivist Anarchist - 9 (2%)
Individualist Anarchist - 10 (2%)
Revolutionary Syndicalist - 22 (5%)
Other (Please State) - 28 (7%)

Total Votes: 418 (Recorded 26/12/2016)

”What type of leftist are you?”

Left-leaning Centrist - 57 (13%)
Left/Social Liberal - 51 (12%)
Social Democrat - 73 (17%)
Democratic Socialist - 78 (18%)
Libertarian Marxist - 22 (5%)
Other Marxist - 43 (10%)
Social Anarchist - 31 (7%)
Individualist Anarchist - 13 (3%)
Revolutionary Syndicalist - 21 (5%)
Other (Please State) - 47 (11%)

Total Votes: 436 (Recorded 05/02/2017)

”Favourite Left-Wing Thinker?”

John Rawls - 11 (7%)
John Stuart Mill - 12 (8%)
Karl Marx - 44 (29%)
Max Stirner - 11 (7%)
Simone de Beauvoir - 1 (1%)
Noam Chomsky - 13 (9%)
Peter Kropotkin - 30 (20%)
Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - 6 (4%)
Slavoj Žižek - 7 (5%)
Other (Please State) - 15 (10%)

Total Votes: 150 (Recorded 19/02/2017)

”Favourite Left-Wing Politician?”

Bernie Sanders - 25 (17%)
Clement Attlee - 9 (6%)
Eugene V. Debs - 19 (13%)
Franklin D. Roosevelt - 37 (25%)
François Mitterand - 1 (1%)
Nikita Krushchev - 4 (3%)
Nelson Mandela - 21 (14%)
Salvador Allende - 8 (5%)
Tony Benn - 4 (3%)
Other (Please State) - 23 (15%)

Total Votes: 151 (Recorded 14/03/2017)

”Favourite Left-Wing Social Movement/Revolution?”

French Revolution, 1789 (France) - 61 (14%)
Spring Of Nations, 1848 (Europe) - 34 (8%)
October Revolution, 1917 (Russia) - 60 (14%)
Spanish Revolution, 1936 (Spain) - 57 (14%)
Chinese Communist Revolution, 1946 (China) - 14 (3%)
Resistance To Apartheid, 1950 (South Africa) - 24 (6%)
Cuban Revolution, 1953 (Cuba) - 19 (5%)
Civil Rights Movement, 1954 (USA) - 123 (29%)
Occupy Movement, 2011 (International) - 10 (2%)
Other (Please State) - 19 (5%)

Total Votes: 421 (Recorded 29/7/2017)

”Preferred economic system?”

Welfare Capitalism 92 (23%)
Market Socialism 62 (16%)
Mutualism 10 (3%)
Syndicalism 40 (10%)
Communalism 13 (3%)
State Planning 36 (9%)
Decentralised Planning 27 (7%)
Higher Phase Communism 38 (10%)
Left-wing Market Anarchism 15 (4%)
Other 67 (17%)

Total Votes: 400 (Recorded 05/11/2017)

Reading Suggestions:
If you’re looking to read something relevant to left-wing politics, consider reading some of the texts below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

Video Suggestions:
If you’d rather watch something relevant to left-wing politics, consider having a look at some of the videos below. If you think something’s missing from this list, please post a recommendation. If you think something should be removed, please explain why.

Lots of free leftist literature is available at:

Free leftist audiobooks are also available at:

Other useful resources:

If you’re interested in discussing matters pertaining to the political right, we can recommend several entirely voluntary re-education seminars to remedy this unfortunate perspective. So, get to it.

*as we now have developed our intellectual industry, we are immediately launching proletarian intellectual Great Patriotic War against the fascist forces of the RWDT
I dedicate this thread in honor of the UMN-TEM Bullying Reduction Treaty of 1972.

First Poll will be added shorty, we are nearing five hundred pages on the other thread quickly, so I wanted to roll this one out quickly.

by **The East Marches II** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:28 pm

Genivaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Yes, it coincides with arms reduction treaty.

What have you done with TEM and who is this impostor?

The UMN-TEM Bullying Reduction Treaty of 1972 is a good deal for both sides. We agree to a pact of reducing our stockpiles of bully so that spending may used on bully tools for other topics and subjects. Everybody wins.

This is gonna be a good thread I can tell!

by **Genivaria** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:28 pm

I would say let UMN's leadership of the working class be benevolent and pure but I think we know the purge will begin any min-

by **Likar** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 pm

2nd! Make the name Left Wing Thread: The return

by **Genivaria** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:29 pm

Likar wrote:2nd! Make the name Left Wing Thread: The return

No, go to Gulag.

by **West Leas Oros** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:31 pm

Beautiful.

by **Cekoviu** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:31 pm

poll when

by **Italios** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:32 pm

Was a little upset we still haven't used "Classless not Classy" but this is actually ok

by **Cekoviu** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:32 pm

Italios wrote:Was a little upset we still haven't used "Classless not Classy" but this is actually ok

We need an actual list of these so we don't forget.

by **Aillyria** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 pm

I'm honestly starting to wonder how all my convos with DCF end with a debate on whether or not I'm a "rightwing populist".........

Nice thread title UMN.

by **United Muscovite Nations** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 pm

New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

by **New Emeline** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Italios wrote:Was a little upset we still haven't used "Classless not Classy" but this is actually ok

We need an actual list of these so we don't forget.

I liked whoever's it was that said LWDT with the T crossed out because all proper T is theft

by **West Leas Oros** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Italios wrote:Was a little upset we still haven't used "Classless not Classy" but this is actually ok

We need an actual list of these so we don't forget.

Indeed. I remember a few.
Maothing off
When Life gives you Lenins
Classless not Classy
Proper-Ts are theft

Any others?

by **FelrikTheDeleted** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 pm

Cool, new thread.

by **The East Marches II** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:35 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

Who was the greatest Soviet leader and why was it Brezhnev?

by **Genivaria** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:35 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:We need an actual list of these so we don't forget.

I liked whoever's it was that said LWDT with the T crossed out because all proper T is theft

That's actually really clever.

by **Valgora** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

Which one should we overthrow:
Tzar, Tsar, Csar, or Czar?

by **Mosleyite Britannia** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:36 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Who was the greatest Soviet leader and why was it Brezhnev?

Not Andropov?

I can't believe that.

by **Cekoviu** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

"Was Hoxha the greatest leader of all time?"
responses:
- Yes
- Extremely so
- Definitely
- Certainly
- Absolutely

by **Great Minarchistan** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:37 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

>Democracy
I'll take the ship over now. Off to gulag!

by **Mosleyite Britannia** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:38 pm

Great Minarchistan wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

>Democracy
I'll take the ship over now. Off to gulag!

Are you suggesting that the Worker's Paradise does not institute REAL democracy?

That's the gulag counter-revolutionary pig.

by **United Muscovite Nations** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:38 pm

Valgora wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

Which one should we overthrow:
Tzar, Tsar, Csar, or Czar?

It's Tsar because
1) the T isn't silent, so it can't be the ones with the C
2) the sound isn't a z

by **Genivaria** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:38 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:New Poll: What should the first poll of the new thread be? We are deciding with Democratic Centralism now comrades.

Who was the greatest Soviet leader and why was it Brezhnev?

Stalin was a traitor to the Revolution. Discuss.

by **Mosleyite Britannia** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:39 pm

Genivaria wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Who was the greatest Soviet leader and why was it Brezhnev?

Stalin was a traitor to the Revolution. Discuss.

Objectively false, Stalin was the Revolution.

by **Valgora** » Thu May 03, 2018 6:40 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Valgora wrote:Which one should we overthrow:
Tzar, Tsar, Csar, or Czar?

It's Tsar because
1) the T isn't silent, so it can't be the ones with the C
2) the sound isn't a z

Last time I checked C is an acceptable spelling.
Also, I've never heard the T in it. It sounds like zar every time I've heard it.

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