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Should the government fund arts?

Yes, unconditionally.
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Yes, as long as they don't criticize it.
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Yes, as long as their artistic merits are great enough.
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Yes, as long as they aren't financially feasible on their own.
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No.
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:36 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Kubra wrote: Irony of quoting a play for this tho
like what did johst mean


Its for the ironic effect I think. A meta meme :^)

Tho to be real culture is bad for you.
Nah man Johst was a proper prosecuted nazi, he gotta have meant it
yeah but without plays what would mission to burma name songs after
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Postby Ceolophysia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:36 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The arthouse demographic isn't generally strong enough for studios to shill out big bucks to cater to it.

It's the film version of the sports car market.

Yes, it is not as big as what you have for compact cars, but we're still getting new Ferraris and Lamborghinis and Corvettes and Porsches and whatnot.

It's like the sports car market if sports cars looked like this:
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:36 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>he says as studios release generic superhero movie #33

The free market has ruined art because it pays better to cater to the lowest common denominator. There's a place for the free market in the arts, but there is also something to be said for funding ventures for the artistic merit of the project.

Experimental art is terrible.

Also, don't touch my Marvel.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu May 03, 2018 2:38 pm

Kubra wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Its for the ironic effect I think. A meta meme :^)

Tho to be real culture is bad for you.
Nah man Johst was a proper prosecuted nazi, he gotta have meant it
yeah but without plays what would mission to burma name songs after


Was he? I should quote that more often then

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Postby Ceolophysia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:38 pm

Kubra wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:Experimental art is terrible.

Also, don't touch my Marvel.
Marvel is terrible, absolutely terrible. A century from now, historians will use it as an example of americans lacking culture.

You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:38 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:It's the film version of the sports car market.

Yes, it is not as big as what you have for compact cars, but we're still getting new Ferraris and Lamborghinis and Corvettes and Porsches and whatnot.

It's like the sports car market if sports cars looked like this:
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It's like the old handbuilt "track specials", where the prototype tester and owner were the same person.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 03, 2018 2:39 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>he says as studios release generic superhero movie #33

The free market has ruined art because it pays better to cater to the lowest common denominator. There's a place for the free market in the arts, but there is also something to be said for funding ventures for the artistic merit of the project.

Experimental art is terrible.

Also, don't touch my Marvel.

>unironically liking capeshit
Thank you for showing that you have no place in a discussion of the arts.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:39 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
Kubra wrote: Marvel is terrible, absolutely terrible. A century from now, historians will use it as an example of americans lacking culture.

You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.

Even the Spartans had a culture - a highly militaristic one.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 03, 2018 2:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:Experimental art is terrible.

Also, don't touch my Marvel.

>unironically liking capeshit
Thank you for showing that you have no place in a discussion of the arts.


>not liking the Punisher
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Postby Ceolophysia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:39 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:Experimental art is terrible.

Also, don't touch my Marvel.

>unironically liking capeshit
Thank you for showing that you have no place in a discussion of the arts.

> unironically preferring avant garde
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:40 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:Experimental art is terrible.

Also, don't touch my Marvel.

>unironically liking capeshit
Thank you for showing that you have no place in a discussion of the arts.

Says a man who advocates for stuff that tries so hard to be artful, it ends up as crap.
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:40 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Kubra wrote: Nah man Johst was a proper prosecuted nazi, he gotta have meant it
yeah but without plays what would mission to burma name songs after


Was he? I should quote that more often then
only 3 years tho, slap on the wrist, but I mean I guess he didn't kill anyone or anything, they put him in the SS to write fucking poetry
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Postby Ceolophysia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:40 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.

Even the Spartans had a culture - a highly militaristic one.

They didn't have art, though.
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:43 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.

Even the Spartans had a culture - a highly militaristic one.
Naw spartan martial art is pretty neat
In any case, just putting it out there, Athens is still a city. Sparta, on the other hand, was refounded less than a century ago and currently consist of broke rustics.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 03, 2018 2:43 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:>unironically liking capeshit
Thank you for showing that you have no place in a discussion of the arts.

> unironically preferring avant garde

Not avant garde, I want more epic films.
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:44 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
Kubra wrote: Marvel is terrible, absolutely terrible. A century from now, historians will use it as an example of americans lacking culture.

You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.
I bet you think a hot dog is food culture
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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:44 pm

Kubra wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.
I bet you think a hot dog is food culture

It is.
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:> unironically preferring avant garde

Not avant garde, I want more epic films.
less CG, more literal legions of extra's in costume
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:No. First of all, Arts aren't necessary, and second of all, if they can't survive on their own, they shouldn't.

To be fair, many artists deemed the greatest (e.g. Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Hieronymus Bosch) were well-paid.

They were paid by patrons though, not by government. My main point against govt funding for arts is because of the very possible use of it as a way to create some sort of cult of personality, or at least serve for political manipulations. Here in Brazil for instance you had Carnival movements rarely criticizing the govt until it cut funding -- by 50% I think. Jeez, you should've seen the anger erupting out of it
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Kubra wrote: I bet you think a hot dog is food culture

It is.
American culture, everyone
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Postby Ceolophysia » Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 pm

Kubra wrote:
Ceolophysia wrote:You can't lack culture, unless you're the Spartans. Any art whatsoever is culture, not just the kind of art you like.
I bet you think a hot dog is food culture

Technically it is. We only consider our culture not culture because we live in it.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu May 03, 2018 2:45 pm

Kubra wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Not avant garde, I want more epic films.
less CG, more literal legions of extra's in costume

Exactly, it's a beautiful genre, left destroyed by the free market.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 03, 2018 2:47 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:Arts aren't necessary.

Technically clothes aren't necessary in warmer climates, but people still wear them.

And I disagree. Art in some form is necessary for most societies to function. Architecture, for example, relies heavily on art. Without it, we wouldn't have buildings...
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Postby Kubra » Thu May 03, 2018 2:47 pm

Ceolophysia wrote:
Kubra wrote: I bet you think a hot dog is food culture

Technically it is. We only consider our culture not culture because we live in it.
Nah, ask any tourist here if they think a hot dog is culture, get a load of the look you'll get. Our view of culture is why we shall never bridge the gap of sallivating sauce and sautee.
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Postby Conservative Feminism » Thu May 03, 2018 2:47 pm

The government should fund education, up to the highest level. Education which includes the arts. If this is done, the arts would not need to be funded, likewise if it's not, funding the arts alone would be wasted with very few people there to appreciate them.
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