Boy Scouts of America dropping the "Boy" from their name.

[Katganistan]

Mmmhmm.

Perhaps you should google world-famous chefs and see what comes up.

This is why I said 'maybe'. Famous chefs were and are almost always male, but it's historically been somewhat hard to find a guy who could cook anything more complicated than a sandwich.

I'm so sorry for you.

Pretty much, every male in my large Italian American family cooks, and not just on the grill.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Good news, the troops won't be co-ed. Which makes 90% of arguments against this null.

I think you misspelled "100."

The remaining 10% is people complaining that the scout troops dedicated to things other than baking shouldn't have girls and giving no reasons why.

[Olthar]

Because you can't properly tie knots if you have boobs.

Come now, the only boobs that have gotten in the way of me tying knots properly were the ones trying explain it to me.

Talking boobs sounds irritating.

[Lavan Tiri]

Good news, the troops won't be co-ed. Which makes 90% of arguments against this null.

I think you misspelled "100."

Well the other 10% were already invalid.

What I don't get is how Scouts, past and present, who've benefited from this organization and program, can say that other people shouldn't have the same opportunities for learning, fun, and friendship that we have. Why shouldn't gay men, and trans men, and women, be able to go through this program and (hopefully) come out as better, more responsible people?

[Katganistan]

This is why I said 'maybe'. Famous chefs were and are almost always male, but it's historically been somewhat hard to find a guy who could cook anything more complicated than a sandwich.

It occurs to me that the most famous clothing designers are men too...

Tommy Hilfiger, Giorgio Armani, Karl Lagerfeld, Michael Kors, Gianni Versace, Yves Saint Larent.....

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

This is why I said 'maybe'. Famous chefs were and are almost always male, but it's historically been somewhat hard to find a guy who could cook anything more complicated than a sandwich.

I'm so sorry for you.

Pretty much, every male in my large Italian American family cooks, and not just on the grill.

...
Okay, from now on, whenever I say any generalization, Italy, Florida, and anything strongly related to those places shall be excluded from the stats.

[Olthar]

This is why I said 'maybe'. Famous chefs were and are almost always male, but it's historically been somewhat hard to find a guy who could cook anything more complicated than a sandwich.

I'm so sorry for you.

Pretty much, every male in my large Italian American family cooks, and not just on the grill.

My uncle is probably the best cook in the family. And my mom is probably the worst.

[Lavan Tiri]

This is why I said 'maybe'. Famous chefs were and are almost always male, but it's historically been somewhat hard to find a guy who could cook anything more complicated than a sandwich.

I'm so sorry for you.

Pretty much, every male in my large Italian American family cooks, and not just on the grill.

I've never understood how some men can go through life just. . .not knowing how to cook. It boggles the mind--aren't you people planning on being independent humans someday?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Re: food discussion, I was originally referring to things before the modern era, but I believe that exceptions would definitely exist.

[Olthar]

I think you misspelled "100."

Well the other 10% were already invalid.

What I don't get is how Scouts, past and present, who've benefited from this organization and program, can say that other people shouldn't have the same opportunities for learning, fun, and friendship that we have. Why shouldn't gay men, and trans men, and women, be able to go through this program and (hopefully) come out as better, more responsible people?

Because everyone else should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

[Katganistan]

Come now, the only boobs that have gotten in the way of me tying knots properly were the ones trying explain it to me.

Talking boobs sounds irritating.

Trust me, they are.
They like to think they have a monopoly on things like home repair, swapping out hard drives or graphic cards, basic car maintenance....

[Valgora]

I'm so sorry for you.

Pretty much, every male in my large Italian American family cooks, and not just on the grill.

I've never understood how some men can go through life just. . .not knowing how to cook. It boggles the mind--aren't you people planning on being independent humans someday?

I can be independent..... so long as I have a microwave.

[Lavan Tiri]

Well the other 10% were already invalid.

What I don't get is how Scouts, past and present, who've benefited from this organization and program, can say that other people shouldn't have the same opportunities for learning, fun, and friendship that we have. Why shouldn't gay men, and trans men, and women, be able to go through this program and (hopefully) come out as better, more responsible people?

Because everyone else should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Fun fact, that phrase originally meant "to attempt something impossible". You can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

I've never understood how some men can go through life just. . .not knowing how to cook. It boggles the mind--aren't you people planning on being independent humans someday?

I can be independent..... so long as I have a microwave.

Oh honey.

Also, if nothing else, girls deserve to suffer through summer camp food with the rest of us. Equality!

[Olthar]

I'm so sorry for you.

Pretty much, every male in my large Italian American family cooks, and not just on the grill.

...
Okay, from now on, whenever I say any generalization, Italy, Florida, and anything strongly related to those places shall be excluded from the stats.

Hey! Don't put Italians in the same category as those crazy Floridians!

[The Republic of Fore]

Because It's for boys. Are girls incapable of learning those things on their own? Are the boy scouts the only organization that teaches those things? "Buh I want to!" Is not a reason.

And how does allowing the girls to join and be in separate troops from the boys make it not "for boys"?

IDK, like half of my troop was composed of swimmers and basketball and football players...

Soccer players and theatre kids. We've the gayest troop in the district.

Because they're still in the organization.Whether or not they're in different troops is irrelevant. There's about 500 civilian technicians who do jobs ranging from maintaining and ordering supplies, to helping disarm explosives. They can call themselves members of SEAL team 6, and most people wouldn't correct them. Even though they're part of a separate unit.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Because everyone else should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps.

Fun fact, that phrase originally meant "to attempt something impossible". You can't pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

You know, I've always wondered how that was supposed to work...

[The Corparation]

This talk of cooking reminds me that a couple of years ago they made the cooking merit badge a mandatory badge for eagle. They also ramped up the requirements and increased the amount of work needed to be done. No doubt this was all part of the evil pro-girls in BSA Programs movement 's totally real effort to womanize the scouts.

[Katganistan]

...
Okay, from now on, whenever I say any generalization, Italy, Florida, and anything strongly related to those places shall be excluded from the stats.

Hey! Don't put Italians in the same category as those crazy Floridians!

Well I did say Italian-American, not Italian. Big difference.

That said, I am sure Risottia knows his way around a kitchen.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

...
Okay, from now on, whenever I say any generalization, Italy, Florida, and anything strongly related to those places shall be excluded from the stats.

Hey! Don't put Italians in the same category as those crazy Floridians!

They aren't. Florida is excluded from all stats in all circumstances, Italy is just excluded from food-related things.

[Katganistan]

This talk of cooking reminds me that a couple of years ago they made the cooking merit badge a mandatory badge for eagle. They also ramped up the requirements and increased the amount of work needed to be done. No doubt this was all part of the evil pro-girls in BSA Programs movement 's totally real effort to womanize the scouts.

Or recognizing that part of becoming a man is the ability to feed oneself and manage one's household?

[Olthar]

Hey! Don't put Italians in the same category as those crazy Floridians!

Well I did say Italian-American, not Italian. Big difference.

That said, I am sure Risottia knows his way around a kitchen.

He seems like a competent adult human being to me, so I'm sure you're right.

[Lavan Tiri]

And how does allowing the girls to join and be in separate troops from the boys make it not "for boys"?
Whether or not they're in different troops is irrelevant. There's about 500 civilian technicians who do jobs ranging from maintaining and ordering supplies, to helping disarm explosives. They can call themselves members of SEAL team 6, and most people wouldn't correct them. Even though they're part of a separate unit.

I definitely don't recall saying this.

Because they're still in the organization.

So. . .they have seperate groups and the program is still the same, and somehow--somehow--makes it not for boys?

It's still for boys, hun. It's just also for girls now. And I love it, because the Scouting program is awesome, and beneficial to everyone who goes through it and learns from it, which girls are entirely capable of doing.

[The Corparation]

I can be independent..... so long as I have a microwave.

Oh honey.

Also, if nothing else, girls deserve to suffer through summer camp food with the rest of us. Equality!

As someone who lived of Sysco Classic for 5 summers in a row, I was going to say that Summer Camp Food isn't that bad but after recalling the horrifying summer of 2012* I must add that you need a halfway decent chef.

*A summer which included raw bacon, possibly spoiled food, not enough food being cooked on a routine basis, nothing but Quesadillas for those with special dietary needs, and in one horrifying incident related to the third item, while working the serving line I witnessed first hand the substitution of sour cream for Alfredo Sauce when they ran out of Alfredo sauce one dinner.

[The Republic of Fore]

Whether or not they're in different troops is irrelevant. There's about 500 civilian technicians who do jobs ranging from maintaining and ordering supplies, to helping disarm explosives. They can call themselves members of SEAL team 6, and most people wouldn't correct them. Even though they're part of a separate unit.
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I definitely don't recall saying this.

So. . .they have seperate groups and the program is still the same, and somehow--somehow--makes it not for boys?

It's still for boys, hun. It's just also for girls now. And I love it, because the Scouting program is awesome, and beneficial to everyone who goes through it and learns from it, which girls are entirely capable of doing.

It should only be for boys hun. That's what "for boys" means. It's the "BOY" scouts. Girls want to learn the skills they teach? Good for them. Learn them somewhere else.

[Lavan Tiri]

So. . .they have seperate groups and the program is still the same, and somehow--somehow--makes it not for boys?

It's still for boys, hun. It's just also for girls now. And I love it, because the Scouting program is awesome, and beneficial to everyone who goes through it and learns from it, which girls are entirely capable of doing.

It should only be for boys hun. That's what "for boys" means. It's the "BOY" scouts. Girls want to learn the skills they teach? Good for them. Learn them somewhere else.

Why should it only be for boys?