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Postby Hakons » Thu May 03, 2018 8:58 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:That would be an utter mistake. The GSA for one has stated that they do not want to ever merge plus the GSA is at this point an overgrown girls club and not a scouting organization.

Yes that’s correct they do not camp, teach any outdoor skills or anything like that. It’s more talking about social issues and abortions and female issues

https://www.girlscouts.org/en/our-progr ... inder.html

https://www.girlscouts.org/en/our-progr ... doors.html

You were saying?


Anecdotally, I can confirm Thermodolia's statement. Girl Scouts do far less camping. It's one of the major reasons why girls wanted to be part of Boy Scouts.
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Postby Katganistan » Thu May 03, 2018 9:01 pm

Sperio wrote:Look, one of the other thing I am worried about the fact is the world is harsh, and also because of female supremacists. Understand this, feminism is making both sexes equal. Supremacy is bring one side up and bringing the other side down. The thing is I don’t want to be in a meeting with a guy hitting on a girl and another girl calling me a myinogist pig. What I am trying to say is I think that we should still be separated.

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Postby Katganistan » Thu May 03, 2018 9:03 pm

Sperio wrote:I think that a main problem is not that boy activities are upset about girls joining. It is that no vica versa, if a boy wanted to join the cheerleaders, no one would let them. I think that we should do the same to the girls Scouts.

There are most definitely males on cheer teams.

Even the NFL has male cheerleaders.
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Postby Dogmeat » Thu May 03, 2018 9:04 pm

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Sperio wrote:I think that a main problem is not that boy activities are upset about girls joining. It is that no vica versa, if a boy wanted to join the cheerleaders, no one would let them. I think that we should do the same to the girls Scouts.


There are most definitely males on cheer teams.

For instance, Samuel L. Jackson was on a cheer team. Not joking.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 03, 2018 9:05 pm

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New Emeline wrote:People are so weirdly concerned about co-ed camping
I've done it a ton of times, nothing bad's come of it

The adults are scared a teenage boy and girl will sneak off to make out and wake up Jason.

you know that's a valid point

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Postby Katganistan » Thu May 03, 2018 9:08 pm

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Kernen wrote:There's no reason why cheerleading should be a women-only endeavor.


It should be, we can't escape basic biology. Men are flat out less capable of being as physically flexible as a woman can.


Right. No males in ballet, gymnastics, figure skating, no male acrobats.

This is edging away from hilarity into the surreal.

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Postby Olthar » Thu May 03, 2018 9:09 pm

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There are most definitely males on cheer teams.

For instance, Samuel L. Jackson was on a cheer team. Not joking.

Damn. That makes him even more awesome. I am picturing Nick Fury in a mini skirt, and it is glorious.
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Postby USS Monitor » Thu May 03, 2018 9:09 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:This sounds like a great debate on a thread where it’s actually relevant

That looks like a post that should be made in moderation.


You want to make it a mod problem, fine. *** Warned for threadjacking ***

Ostroeuropa was reported for starting the threadjack, but he was still posting about Boy Scouts long after you went off and shifted the focus to video games, and you are the one that is unwilling to drop it without mod intervention. A passing reference to Gamergate isn't a threadjack. Going off for multiple posts making random assertions about feminists' influence on video games, none of which is tried back into the Boy Scout issue -- that's a threadjack.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu May 03, 2018 9:09 pm

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Alvecia wrote:Okay now that I have a problem with.

The animals aren’t even consistent! How the hell does a baby bear turn into a bird?! This is ridiculous!

You do realize cub scouts are organized into more than one baby animal group, yes?

Bobcats, Tigers, Wolf, Bear, Webelos (what animal is a Webelo?) and Arrow of Light (are we now shooting the cubs?)

According to my extensive research, "webelo" comes from "wolf, bear, lion", which stuck around even after "lion cub" was dropped.

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Postby Cascadon » Thu May 03, 2018 9:10 pm

Personally, I think it is ridiculous. There is no stopping point for the hyper-liberal agenda and eventually it will ruin the Girl Scouts too. Does nobody remember that the Venture Scouts are co-ed? What about the list of other groups that are co-ed and do the same activities, if not more? I think one of the driving motivations behind this is the fact that they have been a historically conservative group and a driving force in giving young men a good and productive outlet for their energy and time. When is enough, enough? There is forced diversity everywhere, but no, every stone must be flipped, every corner searched, for anything that doesn't toe the line of their ideological preferences.
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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 03, 2018 9:10 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
It should be, we can't escape basic biology. Men are flat out less capable of being as physically flexible as a woman can.


Right. No males in ballet, gymnastics, figure skating, no male acrobats.

This is edging away from hilarity into the surreal.

I bet most men couldn't take off a bra without taking off their shirt. *nod*
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Postby New haven america » Thu May 03, 2018 9:12 pm

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The Corparation wrote: Girl Scouts have no interest in merging with the BSA. They're just salty that girls would rather join a scouting organization that does scout stuff rather than join their cookie cartel.

Between the Girl Scouts tolerance for LGBT scouts

Um, where'd you get that?

IIRC, their policy is that groups can decide for themselves if LGBT girls can be part of GSA (For the press releases and articles I've read, they seem to dance around the subject), while BSA has already said they don't care whether someone is LGBT or not.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu May 03, 2018 9:12 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
Right. No males in ballet, gymnastics, figure skating, no male acrobats.

This is edging away from hilarity into the surreal.

I bet most men couldn't take off a bra without taking off their shirt. *nod*

hell i can barely do that

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu May 03, 2018 9:13 pm

Cascadon wrote:Personally, I think it is ridiculous. There is no stopping point for the hyper-liberal agenda and eventually it will ruin the Girl Scouts too. Does nobody remember that the Venture Scouts are co-ed? What about the list of other groups that are co-ed and do the same activities, if not more? I think one of the driving motivations behind this is the fact that they have been a historically conservative group and a driving force in giving young men a good and productive outlet for their energy and time. When is enough, enough? There is forced diversity everywhere, but no, every stone must be flipped, every corner searched, for anything that doesn't toe the line of their ideological preferences.

...You do realize that this is renaming one of their ranks and not the entire organization, right?
Before, it (roughly) went cub scout > boy scout > eagle scout, now it goes cub scout > scout > eagle scout, which just makes more sense considering that the organization is co-ed.

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Postby New haven america » Thu May 03, 2018 9:14 pm

Katganistan wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Okay now that I have a problem with.

The animals aren’t even consistent! How the hell does a baby bear turn into a bird?! This is ridiculous!

You do realize cub scouts are organized into more than one baby animal group, yes?

Bobcats, Tigers, Wolf, Bear, Webelos (what animal is a Webelo?) and Arrow of Light (are we now shooting the cubs?)

Switch around the first 2 around, and Webelos stands for "We'll Be Loyal Scouts."

I've always just assumed it's because they couldn't think of another animal.
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Postby Valgora » Thu May 03, 2018 9:15 pm

Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:
Cascadon wrote:Personally, I think it is ridiculous. There is no stopping point for the hyper-liberal agenda and eventually it will ruin the Girl Scouts too. Does nobody remember that the Venture Scouts are co-ed? What about the list of other groups that are co-ed and do the same activities, if not more? I think one of the driving motivations behind this is the fact that they have been a historically conservative group and a driving force in giving young men a good and productive outlet for their energy and time. When is enough, enough? There is forced diversity everywhere, but no, every stone must be flipped, every corner searched, for anything that doesn't toe the line of their ideological preferences.

...You do realize that this is renaming one of their ranks and not the entire organization, right?
Before, it (roughly) went cub scout > boy scout > eagle scout, now it goes cub scout > scout > eagle scout, which just makes more sense considering that the organization is co-ed.

I don't remember the Boy Scouts being co-ed.
But I wasn't a Boy Scout.

If I remember correctly, the Cub Scouts were co-ed when I was in it.
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Also, anyone else notice the... oddly large number of moderators here? I've seen three in the last page alone, not counting the one that was called in to enforce the rules.

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Postby New haven america » Thu May 03, 2018 9:16 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Katganistan wrote:
There are most definitely males on cheer teams.

For instance, Samuel L. Jackson was on a cheer team. Not joking.

Cheering actually used to be a male dominant sport, IIRC.
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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Also, anyone else notice the... oddly large number of moderators here? I've seen three in the last page alone, not counting the one that was called in to enforce the rules.

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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Also, anyone else notice the... oddly large number of moderators here? I've seen three in the last page alone, not counting the one that was called in to enforce the rules.

Well, I have heard rumors that the mods are real people with opinions and stuff, so that could explain it. I think they're just rumors, though, and the mods are all alien robots.
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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:Also, anyone else notice the... oddly large number of moderators here? I've seen three in the last page alone, not counting the one that was called in to enforce the rules.

Well, I have heard rumors that the mods are real people with opinions and stuff, so that could explain it. I think they're just rumors, though, and the mods are all alien robots.

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Postby Evil Dictators Happyland » Thu May 03, 2018 9:19 pm

Valgora wrote:
Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:...You do realize that this is renaming one of their ranks and not the entire organization, right?
Before, it (roughly) went cub scout > boy scout > eagle scout, now it goes cub scout > scout > eagle scout, which just makes more sense considering that the organization is co-ed.

I don't remember the Boy Scouts being co-ed.
But I wasn't a Boy Scout.

If I remember correctly, the Cub Scouts were co-ed when I was in it.

I can't parse out this timeline, tbf. My guess is that they planned to make it co-ed, then planned to do this as well when they figured out that that means that girls will be joining, but I'm not sure when this will happen or even if it already has.

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New haven america wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:For instance, Samuel L. Jackson was on a cheer team. Not joking.

Cheering actually used to be a male dominant sport, IIRC.

Everything that's not squirting out babies used to be male dominated.
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Evil Dictators Happyland wrote:...You do realize that this is renaming one of their ranks and not the entire organization, right?
Before, it (roughly) went cub scout > boy scout > eagle scout, now it goes cub scout > scout > eagle scout, which just makes more sense considering that the organization is co-ed.

I don't remember the Boy Scouts being co-ed.
But I wasn't a Boy Scout.

If I remember correctly, the Cub Scouts were co-ed when I was in it.

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