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Postby Dawn Horizon » Wed May 02, 2018 6:28 pm

So I have always categorized government with where the power rests and the number of people that power rested in.
This tends to mean there are four forms of government.

Anarchy - With no one
Autocracy - One ruler
Oligarchy- Few rulers
Democracy - Rule of the People

However, I always found it interesting that there was a term missing from this list and I actually had to come up with it because I have never heard of it and that is the fifth form.

Olarchy - Rule by all, from the Greek word for all, Ol.

While purely hypothetical, this would be a form of government everyone could participate in universally, whether they be a baby or an old person, or even a citizen or whether they are a criminal... literally everyone.

I have no idea how this would play out, but imagine it a bit like how the Borg from Star Trek operate if there was no Borg Queen, just a Collective Consious.

But wasn't sure if there were any concepts or names behind it.

Edit: The reason for differentiating this from democracy is similar to how autocracy is different from oligarchy, 1 is still a 'few' in this case the 'many' is just the 'all'.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Wed May 02, 2018 9:10 pm

Olarchy? Oh, you mean democracy.
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Postby Valgora » Wed May 02, 2018 9:11 pm

The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Olarchy? Oh, you mean democracy.

This isn't Democracy....
It's Advanced Democracy.
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Postby Dogmeat » Wed May 02, 2018 9:21 pm

So who are these hypothetical extra people that are not already included in democracy?

Corporations? Computers? Cats?
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Postby Right wing humour squad » Wed May 02, 2018 9:31 pm

Democracy- tyranny of the masses
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Postby The Proletarian Republic » Wed May 02, 2018 9:34 pm

For me there is Communism, where the concept of “rulers” makes no sense. Similar to anarchy although under communism it’s not that no one rules, it’s that there is no such thing as “rule.”
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Postby Dawn Horizon » Wed May 02, 2018 9:40 pm

Dogmeat wrote:So who are these hypothetical extra people that are not already included in democracy?

Corporations? Computers? Cats?


Democracy has seemed to be limited in scope to people of a certain age having a say in particular... yet I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to anything that has sentience or can voice an opinion in theory.

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Postby Dawn Horizon » Wed May 02, 2018 9:43 pm

Valgora wrote:
The Xenopolis Confederation wrote:Olarchy? Oh, you mean democracy.

This isn't Democracy....
It's Advanced Democracy.


Basically, democracy has always has a limitation and the expansion of it seems to be fairly strict to those who are capable of casting a vote. This would go beyond that...

Purely theoretical, but oligarchies formed because the 'masses' were often viewed as uneducated...

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed May 02, 2018 9:44 pm

Dawn Horizon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:So who are these hypothetical extra people that are not already included in democracy?

Corporations? Computers? Cats?


Democracy has seemed to be limited in scope to people of a certain age having a say in particular... yet I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to anything that has sentience or can voice an opinion in theory.

There's no reason why a democracy couldn't include people of any age, and still be a democracy.

The reason they don't is because babies, for instance, don't have much in the way of political opinions.
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Postby Dawn Horizon » Wed May 02, 2018 9:46 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Dawn Horizon wrote:
Democracy has seemed to be limited in scope to people of a certain age having a say in particular... yet I don't see why it couldn't be expanded to anything that has sentience or can voice an opinion in theory.

There's no reason why a democracy couldn't include people of any age, and still be a democracy.

The reason they don't is because babies, for instance, don't have much in the way of political opinions.


True enough, but it also is defined in scope at least in my view, could even expand it to internationals... I think the term would just be the theoretical extreme of democracy...

If that makes sense

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Postby Dogmeat » Wed May 02, 2018 9:47 pm

Dawn Horizon wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:There's no reason why a democracy couldn't include people of any age, and still be a democracy.

The reason they don't is because babies, for instance, don't have much in the way of political opinions.


True enough, but it also is defined in scope at least in my view, could even expand it to internationals... I think the term would just be the theoretical extreme of democracy...

If that makes sense

It's still just democracy.

Only without any deference paid to practicality.
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Postby Dawn Horizon » Wed May 02, 2018 9:49 pm

Dogmeat wrote:
Dawn Horizon wrote:
True enough, but it also is defined in scope at least in my view, could even expand it to internationals... I think the term would just be the theoretical extreme of democracy...

If that makes sense

It's still just democracy.

Only without any deference paid to practicality.


Guess so, was just running it to the limits and the extremes and applying a term to it, figured it would be entertaining.

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Postby Pope Joan » Thu May 03, 2018 1:03 am

I am tired of the way the US and other western nations preach "democracy" to the rest of the world, often to justify our interventions, as if we truly were serious about it within our own borders.
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Postby Gospel Power » Thu May 03, 2018 1:06 am

Autocracy is the best system

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Postby New Cospus » Thu May 03, 2018 1:09 am

I think you are proposing a direct democracy - none of this representative crap.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 03, 2018 2:12 am

Right wing humour squad wrote:Democracy- tyranny of the masses

If democracy is tyranny, every system of government is tyranny.
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Postby Aeken » Thu May 03, 2018 2:18 am

Gospel Power wrote:Autocracy is the best system

You must be living for the rise in authoritarianism these days.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Thu May 03, 2018 2:18 am

Dogmeat wrote:
The reason they don't is because babies, for instance, don't have much in the way of political opinions.


They might vote for a ban on being kissed by politicians.
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Postby Dawn Horizon » Thu May 03, 2018 6:46 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:
The reason they don't is because babies, for instance, don't have much in the way of political opinions.


They might vote for a ban on being kissed by politicians.


Would they have the numbers for it... old people seem to judge politicians for it and find it cute so...

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Postby Dawn Horizon » Thu May 03, 2018 6:49 am

New Cospus wrote:I think you are proposing a direct democracy - none of this representative crap.


It is a bit like direct democracy, but the only feasible way I could make it work in my head was with substantial improvements to technology so people could directly gauge and vote on issues as they occur... thus the Borg comment... bit of a collective conscious as well.

Again totally theoretical and not even going to argue the merits just wanted to throw it out there and see.

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Postby Sovaal » Thu May 03, 2018 6:52 am

Dawn Horizon wrote:So I have always categorized government with where the power rests and the number of people that power rested in.
This tends to mean there are four forms of government.

Anarchy - With no one
Autocracy - One ruler
Oligarchy- Few rulers
Democracy - Rule of the People

However, I always found it interesting that there was a term missing from this list and I actually had to come up with it because I have never heard of it and that is the fifth form.

Olarchy - Rule by all, from the Greek word for all, Ol.

While purely hypothetical, this would be a form of government everyone could participate in universally, whether they be a baby or an old person, or even a citizen or whether they are a criminal... literally everyone.

I have no idea how this would play out, but imagine it a bit like how the Borg from Star Trek operate if there was no Borg Queen, just a Collective Consious.

But wasn't sure if there were any concepts or names behind it.

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Postby Northern Poland » Thu May 03, 2018 6:55 am

Dogmeat wrote:So who are these hypothetical extra people that are not already included in democracy?

Corporations? Computers? Cats?

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Postby Dawn Horizon » Thu May 03, 2018 7:28 am

Northern Poland wrote:
Dogmeat wrote:So who are these hypothetical extra people that are not already included in democracy?

Corporations? Computers? Cats?

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Postby Ascysia » Thu May 03, 2018 7:29 am

There should be no "beyond" liberal democracy. It is the basis for the advanced and prosperous western civilisation, which is experiencing a decline solely due to radicals opposing liberal democracy. Quite frankly, opposition to democracy should be illegal.
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Postby Vistulange » Thu May 03, 2018 7:30 am

So...expanding suffrage to include a lot of people.

That's still a democracy.
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