Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:14 pmAnarcho Monarchism?
Irou wrote:Anarcho Monarchism?
Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
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Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:14 pmPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:28 pmDoesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:37 pmCamelone wrote:What made the monarchist supporters here actually begin to support monarchy?
Becoming Catholic was a big part. I wanted to dive into the philosophical traditions of the Church. I followed some monarchists on Twitter. Browsing the Josias, this post in particular. Reading through this thread on Twitter.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:37 pmPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:42 pmIrou wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
http://www.altarandthrone.com/so-whats- ... sm-anyway/
It still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. It has an air of being a fringe ideology that not many people would take seriously.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:51 pmIrou wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
http://www.altarandthrone.com/so-whats- ... sm-anyway/
That site... what in the
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 12:56 pmgod after looking on page 10 of google after looking up anarcho monarchism theres a bunch of weird far right sites like Revolutionary Conservative and The 4th position
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:05 pmPosted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:09 pmChill beats LLC wrote:reinstate the tsar when?
http://www.imperialhouse.ru/en/
http://romanovempire.com/en/
When the Hapsburgs are reinstated
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:10 pmI really wouldn't worry about it too much, the internet is filled with nonsensical sites like that one.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:13 pmBlanco-Campeon wrote:Chill beats LLC wrote:reinstate the tsar when?
http://www.imperialhouse.ru/en/
http://romanovempire.com/en/
When the Hapsburgs are reinstated
Reinstate the VIctorian european Dynasty
The King, the Kaiser and the Tsar
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:15 pmI don't find the time preference of monarchies to be a strong enough argument for them.
The only monarchies I tolerate are ones with significant checks and balances, somewhat defeating the point. A government is different than property in which if the "owner" of government, such as the king, abuses his subjects, there is no recourse for his subjects to vote him out or do anything except installing a bloody violent revolution. And of course, the very nature of the king or queen "owning" the people is against my beliefs.
The only monarchies I tolerate are ones with significant checks and balances, somewhat defeating the point. A government is different than property in which if the "owner" of government, such as the king, abuses his subjects, there is no recourse for his subjects to vote him out or do anything except installing a bloody violent revolution. And of course, the very nature of the king or queen "owning" the people is against my beliefs.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:18 pmChill beats LLC wrote:reinstate the tsar when?
http://www.imperialhouse.ru/en/
http://romanovempire.com/en/
More evidence that modern attempts to impose Monarchism are reactionary, nothing more. They bring nothing new to the table. As I said earlier, ideologies that blatantly refuse to adapt to the changing zeitgeist are doomed to failure.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:19 pmWhat is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 1:28 pmAillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.
In some cases I think it is because people have a romantic view of them, anchored in things like medieval fantasy novels, as well as the Arthurian legends etc. Perhaps people desire a return to the supposed values of that time, such as gallantry and chivalry etc.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:13 pmThe Portland Territory wrote:Welcome to the MDT! Your thread for anti-democratic and dark enlightenment thought.
Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO Kings of city-states.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:33 pmReikoku wrote:The Portland Territory wrote:Welcome to the MDT! Your thread for anti-democratic and dark enlightenment thought.
Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO kings of city-states.
Why would they want to dissolve nationstates? Centralized monarchies were the driving force behind many of the oldest nationstates.......
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:36 pmAillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.
Not at all, monarchies are still running strong in many parts of the world. I don't “want them back,” considering the Japanese monarchy is still around.
Aillyria wrote:Reikoku wrote:
Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO kings of city-states.
Why would they want to dissolve nationstates? Centralized monarchies were the driving force behind many of the oldest nationstates.......
Because they're Tea Party geeks.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:39 pmReikoku wrote:Aillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.
Not at all, monarchies are still running strong in many parts of the world. I don't “want them back,” considering the Japanese monarchy is still around.Aillyria wrote:Why would they want to dissolve nationstates? Centralized monarchies were the driving force behind many of the oldest nationstates.......
Because they're Tea Party geeks.
Yes, and the Imperial family has zero political power. Modern constitutional monarchies may as well be republics.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 10:41 pmAillyria wrote:Reikoku wrote:
Not at all, monarchies are still running strong in many parts of the world. I don't “want them back,” considering the Japanese monarchy is still around.
Because they're Tea Party geeks.
Yes, and the Imperial family has zero political power. Modern constitutional monarchies may as well be republics.
Because of a world war, rather than monarchy being outdated. Most constitutional monarchies have some political power, the imperial family is an exception.
Posted: Thu May 03, 2018 11:50 pmAnarcho-Monarchism or bust, tbh.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 12:11 amtbf most of the european dynasties their political power is power on paper, theoretically they have the authority to do quite a few things but in practice any willful exercise of that authority beyond going through the motions would not end well.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 1:43 amAillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.
I'm more of Caliphate supporter. So...theocratic, or constitutional.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 3:25 amReikoku wrote:they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones
This is quite similar to what I said, in that this "second wave" of support for monarchism has its root in depictions of monarchism in popular culture, including Game of Thrones and the like, even though such depictions often bear only a passing superficial resemblance to actual monarchies.
Posted: Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 amReikoku wrote:The Portland Territory wrote:Welcome to the MDT! Your thread for anti-democratic and dark enlightenment thought.
Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO Kings of city-states.
I think skepticism about democracy is perfectly reasonable, but it seems like many of the Dark Enlightenment types are too secular and pro-capitalist. Firstly, I think that proper political authority should be based on divine right, not the will of the people or the majority. Furthermore, I think that along with democracy, capitalism is one of the main problems in the modern world and that it would be better to return to a distributist or a guild-based system to reign in the destructive forces of modern capitalism. Furthermore, making a CEO king would mean giving more power to the bourgeoisie and its materialistic value system, instead of actually restoring the aristocracy and their values of Christianity, noblesse oblige, and such.