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Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 7:48 pm**

Fascism and monarchy have an interesting relationship, ranging from hatred in Germany, symbiosis in Italy, and cooperation in Japan

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 8:13 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:Hitler and Kaiser Wilhelm hated each other, I think it's pretty clear by the fact that they did not restore the crown that they were not royalists.

I think Wilhelm (correctly) suspected that he would be nothing more than a puppet for the Nazis, and Hitler felt that Wilhelm would be more trouble than he was worth. Building ties with other movements that opposed the Weimar Republic was useful, but unlike Italy or Japan, there was no reason to even give them nominal influence.

It’d probably take some ridiculously determined demands and effective opposition to force the Nazis to make any concession to bring back the monarchy, so I think it’s safe to say they weren’t Monarchists in any meaningful way.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:22 pm**

Who would be the American monarch?
There is no one alive that would fit the job unless they descend from Lincoln or Washington

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:43 pm**

I must admit a deep love of monarchies in every aspect besides them actually running the government.
Like I’d actually be happy pledging utter fealty to a monarch and serving them loyally while I obsess over the bloodline

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:01 pm**

Anarcho-Fascist Japan wrote:Who would be the American monarch?
There is no one alive that would fit the job unless they descend from Lincoln or Washington

One idea would be to restore the United States to the British monarchy in a personal union, similar to the government of Canada. Alternately, after the revolution there was an unsuccessful plan to install a younger son of the King of Prussia as King of the USA.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:08 pm**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Anarcho-Fascist Japan wrote:Who would be the American monarch?
There is no one alive that would fit the job unless they descend from Lincoln or Washington

One idea would be to restore the United States to the British monarchy in a personal union, similar to the government of Canada. Alternately, after the revolution there was an unsuccessful plan to install a younger son of the King of Prussia as King of the USA.

Wait really? I’d love a source for that for alt history reasons

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:09 pm**

Bienenhalde wrote:
Anarcho-Fascist Japan wrote:Who would be the American monarch?
There is no one alive that would fit the job unless they descend from Lincoln or Washington

One idea would be to restore the United States to the British monarchy in a personal union, similar to the government of Canada. Alternately, after the revolution there was an unsuccessful plan to install a younger son of the King of Prussia as King of the USA.

There wasn't a plan, it was literally a suggestion that fell flat.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Wait really? I’d love a source for that for alt history reasons

This is probably the closest you'd get to any vision of it: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/in ... r.1101469/

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:37 pm**

Diopolis wrote:
Autarkheia wrote:I'm confused how neo-Nazis could claim to be monarchists when Nazi Germany didn't have a monarchy, even a symbolic one. It would be easier to do what crypto-fascists always do and just claim to be a "nationalist", or even a "conservative".

Nazi Germany used many similar symbols to Imperial Germany, and protected seigneural rights.

Sure, but that was more for nationalistic reasons.

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:39 pm**

Salus Maior wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:
One idea would be to restore the United States to the British monarchy in a personal union, similar to the government of Canada. Alternately, after the revolution there was an unsuccessful plan to install a younger son of the King of Prussia as King of the USA.

There wasn't a plan, it was literally a suggestion that fell flat.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Wait really? I’d love a source for that for alt history reasons

This is probably the closest you'd get to any vision of it: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/in ... r.1101469/

I love you paradox community
You never let me down except for complaining about there only being one console

Posted: **Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:42 pm**

Diopolis wrote:
Autarkheia wrote:I'm confused how neo-Nazis could claim to be monarchists when Nazi Germany didn't have a monarchy, even a symbolic one. It would be easier to do what crypto-fascists always do and just claim to be a "nationalist", or even a "conservative".

Nazi Germany used many similar symbols to Imperial Germany, and protected seigneural rights.

A lot of those symbols were also, officially or unofficially, used by the Weimar Republic too tho. One needs to realize that even ignoring the sheer unbelievable nuttery that was the National Socialist State of Germany, Germans were unbelievably nationalist during the Reich (1871-1946). German Ultranationalists using symbols embodying German Nationalism is not quite that surprising.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:22 am**

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Bienenhalde wrote:One idea would be to restore the United States to the British monarchy in a personal union, similar to the government of Canada. Alternately, after the revolution there was an unsuccessful plan to install a younger son of the King of Prussia as King of the USA.

Wait really? I’d love a source for that for alt history reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prussian_scheme

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:26 am**

I am an Enlighten Absolutists. So It would've been nice if there was that distinction since I think a lot of people tend to assume an Enlighten Absolutists who adopted and embraced Enlighten/progressive values are similar to the average absolute ruler which I'd like to remind are clearly not the same. I believe that, not just politically and ideologically am I oriented towards such a belief but my religion as well forever bounds me towards one. I believe that I always was one, never really agreed to democracy whatsoever.

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:34 am**

Cursica wrote:I am an Enlighten Absolutists. So It would've been nice if there was that distinction. I believe that, not just politically and ideologically am I oriented towards such belief but my religion as well. I believe that I always was one, never really agreed to democracy whatsoever.

Nice grammar. Not really sure what you are trying to say here....

Posted: **Wed Nov 28, 2018 7:59 pm**

Hrythingia wrote:
Cursica wrote:I am an Enlighten Absolutists. So It would've been nice if there was that distinction. I believe that, not just politically and ideologically am I oriented towards such belief but my religion as well. I believe that I always was one, never really agreed to democracy whatsoever.

Nice grammar. Not really sure what you are trying to say here....

Why do you compliment my grammer?. I acknowledge that i may not say things the right way as I'd like to. I'm not great with English it seems and I saw this thread on the left when you log into your nationstate thing and you see those forums and what not. I think you know what I am talking about, if not, its ok, I can saw a picture of what I mean. If you were trying to insult me simply for responding to a thread I saw by logging into my account then you are awful person to insult someone for sharing there thoughts. But you won't have to worry about someone with "Nice grammar" since i only saw this by chance.

Have a good day friend.

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