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What kind of Monarchist are you?

Absolutist
48
14%
Theocratic/ Papal
12
4%
Semi-Constitutional
45
13%
Constitutional (Modern Britain)
55
16%
Constitutional (Pre-Orange Britain)
12
4%
Constitutional (Elective)
11
3%
Constitutional (Other)
13
4%
Not a Monarchist
139
41%
 
Total votes : 335

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Postby Irou » Thu May 03, 2018 12:14 pm

Anarcho Monarchism?
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 03, 2018 12:28 pm

Irou wrote:Anarcho Monarchism?

Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
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Postby Blanco-Campeon » Thu May 03, 2018 12:37 pm

Camelone wrote:What made the monarchist supporters here actually begin to support monarchy?

Becoming Catholic was a big part. I wanted to dive into the philosophical traditions of the Church. I followed some monarchists on Twitter. Browsing the Josias, this post in particular. Reading through this thread on Twitter.
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Postby Irou » Thu May 03, 2018 12:37 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Irou wrote:Anarcho Monarchism?

Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

http://www.altarandthrone.com/so-whats- ... sm-anyway/
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 03, 2018 12:42 pm

Irou wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

http://www.altarandthrone.com/so-whats- ... sm-anyway/

It still doesn't make the slightest bit of sense. It has an air of being a fringe ideology that not many people would take seriously.
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Postby Blanco-Campeon » Thu May 03, 2018 12:51 pm

Irou wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

http://www.altarandthrone.com/so-whats- ... sm-anyway/

That site... what in the
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Postby Irou » Thu May 03, 2018 12:56 pm

god after looking on page 10 of google after looking up anarcho monarchism theres a bunch of weird far right sites like Revolutionary Conservative and The 4th position
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When the Hapsburgs are reinstated
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 03, 2018 1:10 pm

Blanco-Campeon wrote:

That site... what in the

I really wouldn't worry about it too much, the internet is filled with nonsensical sites like that one.
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Blanco-Campeon wrote:

When the Hapsburgs are reinstated

Reinstate the VIctorian european Dynasty
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Thu May 03, 2018 1:15 pm

I don't find the time preference of monarchies to be a strong enough argument for them.

The only monarchies I tolerate are ones with significant checks and balances, somewhat defeating the point. A government is different than property in which if the "owner" of government, such as the king, abuses his subjects, there is no recourse for his subjects to vote him out or do anything except installing a bloody violent revolution. And of course, the very nature of the king or queen "owning" the people is against my beliefs.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 03, 2018 1:18 pm


More evidence that modern attempts to impose Monarchism are reactionary, nothing more. They bring nothing new to the table. As I said earlier, ideologies that blatantly refuse to adapt to the changing zeitgeist are doomed to failure.
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Postby Aillyria » Thu May 03, 2018 1:19 pm

What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.
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Postby The New California Republic » Thu May 03, 2018 1:28 pm

Aillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.

In some cases I think it is because people have a romantic view of them, anchored in things like medieval fantasy novels, as well as the Arthurian legends etc. Perhaps people desire a return to the supposed values of that time, such as gallantry and chivalry etc.
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Postby Reikoku » Thu May 03, 2018 10:13 pm

The Portland Territory wrote:Welcome to the MDT! Your thread for anti-democratic and dark enlightenment thought.


Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO Kings of city-states.

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Postby Aillyria » Thu May 03, 2018 10:33 pm

Reikoku wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Welcome to the MDT! Your thread for anti-democratic and dark enlightenment thought.


Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO kings of city-states.

Why would they want to dissolve nationstates? Centralized monarchies were the driving force behind many of the oldest nationstates.......
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
......
Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
Not to mention that this thread split off from LWDT, so I assumed you would think this thread was a "revisionist hellhole".

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Postby Reikoku » Thu May 03, 2018 10:36 pm

Aillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.


Not at all, monarchies are still running strong in many parts of the world. I don't “want them back,” considering the Japanese monarchy is still around.
Aillyria wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO kings of city-states.

Why would they want to dissolve nationstates? Centralized monarchies were the driving force behind many of the oldest nationstates.......


Because they're Tea Party geeks.

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Postby Aillyria » Thu May 03, 2018 10:39 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Aillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.


Not at all, monarchies are still running strong in many parts of the world. I don't “want them back,” considering the Japanese monarchy is still around.
Aillyria wrote:Why would they want to dissolve nationstates? Centralized monarchies were the driving force behind many of the oldest nationstates.......


Because they're Tea Party geeks.


Yes, and the Imperial family has zero political power. Modern constitutional monarchies may as well be republics.
Conserative Morality wrote:If RWDT were Romans, who would they be?
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Aillyria would be Claudius. Temper + unwillingness to suffer fools + supporter of the P E O P L E + traditional legalist

West Oros wrote:GOD DAMMIT! I thought you wouldn't be here.
Well you aren't a real socialist. Just a sociopath disguised as one.
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Postby Reikoku » Thu May 03, 2018 10:41 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Not at all, monarchies are still running strong in many parts of the world. I don't “want them back,” considering the Japanese monarchy is still around.

Because they're Tea Party geeks.


Yes, and the Imperial family has zero political power. Modern constitutional monarchies may as well be republics.


Because of a world war, rather than monarchy being outdated. Most constitutional monarchies have some political power, the imperial family is an exception.

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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Thu May 03, 2018 11:50 pm

Anarcho-Monarchism or bust, tbh.
Defs a leftist.

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Postby Kubra » Fri May 04, 2018 12:11 am

Reikoku wrote:
Aillyria wrote:
Yes, and the Imperial family has zero political power. Modern constitutional monarchies may as well be republics.


Because of a world war, rather than monarchy being outdated. Most constitutional monarchies have some political power, the imperial family is an exception.
tbf most of the european dynasties their political power is power on paper, theoretically they have the authority to do quite a few things but in practice any willful exercise of that authority beyond going through the motions would not end well.
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Postby Seraven » Fri May 04, 2018 1:43 am

Aillyria wrote:What is it about monarchy that would make someone want them back? Monarchies are an incredibly outdated government system.


I'm more of Caliphate supporter. So...theocratic, or constitutional.
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Postby The New California Republic » Fri May 04, 2018 3:25 am

Reikoku wrote:they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones

This is quite similar to what I said, in that this "second wave" of support for monarchism has its root in depictions of monarchism in popular culture, including Game of Thrones and the like, even though such depictions often bear only a passing superficial resemblance to actual monarchies.
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Postby Bienenhalde » Fri May 04, 2018 6:59 am

Reikoku wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:Welcome to the MDT! Your thread for anti-democratic and dark enlightenment thought.


Eugh, I hate being grouped with anti-democratic and Dark Enlightenment crowds. Besides disagreeing about democracy, they tend to support a new monarchy that resembles a D&D fantasy rather than the actual historical ones, such as favoring dissolution of nation states and creating CEO Kings of city-states.


I think skepticism about democracy is perfectly reasonable, but it seems like many of the Dark Enlightenment types are too secular and pro-capitalist. Firstly, I think that proper political authority should be based on divine right, not the will of the people or the majority. Furthermore, I think that along with democracy, capitalism is one of the main problems in the modern world and that it would be better to return to a distributist or a guild-based system to reign in the destructive forces of modern capitalism. Furthermore, making a CEO king would mean giving more power to the bourgeoisie and its materialistic value system, instead of actually restoring the aristocracy and their values of Christianity, noblesse oblige, and such.
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