UK Labour Women Mass Resignation

[Vassenor]

TIL all western government is theocratic and the first amendment (and other laws like it in other countries) doesn't exist.

And yet the King of the Netherlands rules "by the grace of God", the Chanchellor of Germany is a member of the CHRISTLICH Demokratische Union and the virgin Mary is formally Queen of Poland.

And how many of those countries are actually writing their laws based around religion?

[The Grims]

And yet the King of the Netherlands rules "by the grace of God", the Chanchellor of Germany is a member of the CHRISTLICH Demokratische Union and the virgin Mary is formally Queen of Poland.

And how many of those countries are actually writing their laws based around religion?

Depends. Jurisprudence for instance is a (fundamentalist) christian concept - do we have to take such facts into account when determining if countries are basing their laws on religion ?

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

TIL all western government is theocratic and the first amendment (and other laws like it in other countries) doesn't exist.

And yet the King of the Netherlands rules "by the grace of God", the Chanchellor of Germany is a member of the CHRISTLICH Demokratische Union and the virgin Mary is formally Queen of Poland.

Ah. Some old slogans mean that freedom of religion doesn't exist in the west. Also, you're gonna need about 80 more examples in order to prove that all government in the west is theology based.

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Whatever keeps Corbyn's Labour weak and ineffectual, I'm for.

This.

I would really like to see Blue Labour's voice grow.

Blue labour. What are they...

*1 wikipedia article later*

...ah. Socially conservative, fiscally liberal.

TRIGGERED

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

Whatever keeps Corbyn's Labour weak and ineffectual, I'm for.

This.

I would really like to see Blue Labour's voice grow.

Blue labour. What are they...

*1 wikipedia article later*

...ah. Socially conservative, fiscally liberal.

TRIGGERED

[The Xenopolis Confederation]

And how many of those countries are actually writing their laws based around religion?

Depends. Jurisprudence for instance is a (fundamentalist) christian concept - do we have to take such facts into account when determining if countries are basing their laws on religion ?

Jurisprudence is the study of law, is it not? I'm pretty sure people studied law before Christians were around.

[Mike the Progressive]

This.

I would really like to see Blue Labour's voice grow.

Blue labour. What are they...

*1 wikipedia article later*

...ah. Socially conservative, fiscally liberal.

TRIGGERED

Yah that sounds awful. I’m actually content with conservatives just wish they were more competent politically. Also note to self to seek everything British related if Corbyn comes to power, that guy will unintentionally fuck my long term innvestmenre

Also your all caps just triggered me. You should have used spoilers

#socialjusticewarrior

[The Parkus Empire]

This.

I would really like to see Blue Labour's voice grow.

Blue labour. What are they...

*1 wikipedia article later*

...ah. Socially conservative, fiscally liberal.

TRIGGERED

They aren't fiscally liberal, they favor community solutions over the managerial state

[Vassenor]

This.

I would really like to see Blue Labour's voice grow.

Blue labour. What are they...

*1 wikipedia article later*

...ah. Socially conservative, fiscally liberal.

TRIGGERED

RED TORIES OUT etc.

[The Parkus Empire]

All government in the west is theology-based, I suggest you read Political Theology: Four Chapters on the Concept of Sovereignty . Also check out my bois Bonald and Donoso Cortes

Theology-based, rather loosely at best I'd say.

No, not at all. All major political developments in the west since the Renaissance are applied theology, with the sovereign as God or his voice. Strict Constitutionism is a product of deism, democracy a product of the rediscovery of Ciceronian humanism (which deifies humanity), fascism and Marxism come directly from occasionalism (see Political Romanticism). Liberalism even comes from liberal theology, and progressivism comes from it as well (see After Liberalism).

As for John Milbank, his major thesis in Theology and Social Theory is that social theory takes "univocity of being" as its premise, which Milbank shows conclusively it got from theology. His position is that because univocity of being is a false premise (he considers it bad theology), that solutions to political problems need to take a classical approach (see The Politics of Virtue).

[The Alma Mater]

And yet the King of the Netherlands rules "by the grace of God", the Chanchellor of Germany is a member of the CHRISTLICH Demokratische Union and the virgin Mary is formally Queen of Poland.

Ah. Some old slogans mean that freedom of religion doesn't exist in the west. Also, you're gonna need about 80 more examples in order to prove that all government in the west is theology based.

I actually COULD do that
However, the poster clearly meant that the philosophy underneath our current society is rooted in religion. Which is true. Someone already mentioned the Cromwellian construct of jurisprudence - and I would like to add the idea that "humans are fallible and humbly owing up to that is a good thing" to that.

Without that we would not have had the scientific method after all.

[Threlizdun]

Trans women are women, regardless on if the have transitioned or if they even desire to. Reducing women to their genitals is sexist and frankly gross as hell. TERFs promote violence against women who don't adhere to their standards of feminity. They aren't feminists, aren't radical, and have no place in the left.

[Galloism]

Trans women are women, regardless on if the have transitioned or if they even desire to. Reducing women to their genitals is sexist and frankly gross as hell. TERFs promote violence against women who don't adhere to their standards of feminity. They aren't feminists, aren't radical, and have no place in the left.

You do know that claiming TERFs aren't real feminists is roughly like claiming that Senate Republicans aren't real Republicans, right?

[Thanatttynia]

Moral panics like this are so unnecessary and frustrating. Where are the supposed droves of female impersonators coming to deny 'real' women political representation? They're imagined boogeymen that don't exist in any number close to what would be needed to describe them as a threat.

[Galloism]

Moral panics like this are so unnecessary and frustrating. Where are the supposed droves of female impersonators coming to deny 'real' women political representation? They're imagined boogeymen that don't exist in any number close to what would be needed to describe them as a threat.

"Transwomen as invaders" and "transmen as gender traitors" would make a great meme if it weren't taken so seriously by these people.

[New Emeline]

Moral panics like this are so unnecessary and frustrating. Where are the supposed droves of female impersonators coming to deny 'real' women political representation? They're imagined boogeymen that don't exist in any number close to what would be needed to describe them as a threat.

"Transmen as invaders" and "transwomen as gender traitors" would make a great meme if it weren't taken so seriously by these people.

Isn't it usually the other way 'round? Or is that the joke

[Mike the Progressive]

Blue labour. What are they...

*1 wikipedia article later*

...ah. Socially conservative, fiscally liberal.

TRIGGERED

RED TORIES OUT etc.

I feel like this should become slang for penises or something. Srsly 5 years from now when people are saying this, I want you to remember it was I, Mike the Progressive, who called it. I am the beginning and the end, alpha and omega, some other shit. But I made this a thing. You watch and wait and see.

[Galloism]

"Transmen as invaders" and "transwomen as gender traitors" would make a great meme if it weren't taken so seriously by these people.

Isn't it usually the other way 'round? Or is that the joke

No I said it backwards. I was also arguing with the phone company. My bad.

[New Emeline]

Isn't it usually the other way 'round? Or is that the joke

No I said it backwards. I was also arguing with the phone company. My bad.

Phone company. That sounds irritating.

[Mike the Progressive]

No I said it backwards. I was also arguing with the phone company. My bad.

Phone company. That sounds irritating.

Yah, right? was the cable company just not picking up or...?

[New Emeline]

Phone company. That sounds irritating.

Yah, right? was the cable company just not picking up or...?

Cable company also annoying
all telecommunications company annoying >:^(

[Great Winminster]

The idea that you should be referred to as a diferent gender on the basis of self identification is just ridiculous.

[New Emeline]

The idea that you should be referred to as a diferent gender on the basis of self identification is just ridiculous.

Why?

[Mike the Progressive]

The idea that you should be referred to as a diferent gender on the basis of self identification is just ridiculous.

Why?

To some extent, it gets annoying.

I mean OK, you're a male trapped in a females body or vice versa, cool.. But when you have people who dont identify as either male/female, or are male male but don't want to be referred to as a male without any intention of correcting their gender, it's just, ugh.

Idk. It's like people who refer to themselves as act-tors who in reality live in California working at denny's as a waiter while taking "drama" classes weekly.

At some point you got to realize, no, you're really not regardless of how much you want to be.

[Thanatttynia]

Why?

To some extent, it gets annoying.

I mean OK, you're a male trapped in a females body or vice versa, cool.. But when you have people who dont identify as either male/female, or are male male but don't want to be referred to as a male without any intention of correcting their gender, it's just, ugh.

Idk. It's like people who refer to themselves as act-tors who in reality live in California working at denny's as a waiter while taking "drama" classes weekly.

At some point you got to realize, no, you're really not regardless of how much you want to be.

That's an understandable position to hold. I get that some gender-non-conforming people can be annoying, but that's true of the general populace - some people are annoying. It doesn't take much effort, though, to call someone by their preferred pronouns and, if they're being sincere, that small action might save them from a lot of unnecessary mental anguish.
Bit confused by your last point? Gender isn't 'real' (i.e. biological, unchangeable, absolute.) It's a societal construct like race or sexuality; therefore I would say you can literally be any gender you want. The only reason we assume there are two is that 99% of people fall into one of two biological categories, but sex and gender aren't the same thing so I'm not ultimately convinced we should keep this outdated system on the basis of that.