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Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest?

Rurik
12
6%
Vladimir I the Great
12
6%
Alexander Nevsky
9
4%
Ivan I of Moscow
3
1%
Ivan IV the Terrible
23
11%
Boris Godunov
1
0%
Michael Romanov
2
1%
Peter I The Great
66
31%
Lenin
50
24%
Iosif Stalin
32
15%
 
Total votes : 210

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Jelmatt
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Postby Jelmatt » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:37 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:he's right tho

Fight me.


Can I bring apples to the fight? ;)
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:44 pm

Jelmatt wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Fight me.


Can I bring apples to the fight? ;)

Image
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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:45 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I don't have an al-Qaeda flag.


Please, Kudumba. TEM has caught you up in posting it so many times, you can't just keep Trumping out of it.
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Also, Islamism is more than al-Qaeda.


It's also throwing gays off of buildings, silly me.

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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:51 pm

Reikoku wrote:Please, Kudumba. TEM has caught you up in posting it so many times, you can't just keep Trumping out of it.

Tem2 didn't catch me in anything, I'll still post it without apology nor shame.
Reikoku wrote:It's also throwing gays off of buildings, silly me.

Its an ideology that promotes the governance of a state according to the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.
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Salus Maior
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Jelmatt wrote:
Can I bring apples to the fight? ;)

Image


>Advocating for Easterling degeneracy.
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Petersh
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Point of view

Postby Petersh » Wed Jun 27, 2018 7:54 pm

Who is the greatest is all belongs to our point of view. We know that in the history we saw a lot of greatest people.
I saw some great poll here, where we vote on our personal opinion
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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:24 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:


>Advocating for Easterling degeneracy.


Yes, I know Trump is a degenerate, but what does he have to do with the Easterlings?

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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:38 pm

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Press F to pay respects to Western civilization.


That hit hard; fitting music to accompany it.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:52 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
Yes, your Al Qaeda flag made that abundantly clear a number of times.

I don't have an al-Qaeda flag. Also, Islamism is more than al-Qaeda.

You're right it's also the Taliban and ISIS.
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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:53 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:
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>Advocating for Easterling degeneracy.

You will never reach this level of awesome.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:58 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I don't have an al-Qaeda flag. Also, Islamism is more than al-Qaeda.

You're right it's also the Taliban and ISIS.

And Hizbut-Tahrir, many Muslim Islamics scholars, Gagasan Sejahtera, Banda Aceh, Denk, Ahrar Ash-Shaam (they're one of the good rebels if I'm not getting my names mixed up and if I remember my info correctly), that book on implementing Al-Islam in Nigeria that I had but lost, Islamic banks and mortgage and car companies, etc. Most important being the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:59 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You're right it's also the Taliban and ISIS.

And Hizbut-Tahrir, many Muslim Islamics scholars, Gagasan Sejahtera, Banda Aceh, Denk, Ahrar Ash-Shaam (they're one of the good rebels if I'm not getting my names mixed up and if I remember my info correctly), that book on implementing Al-Islam in Nigeria that I had but lost, Islamic banks and mortgage and car companies, etc. Most important being the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.

Ya'll should probably stop collectively waving an ISIS flag.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:00 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:And Hizbut-Tahrir, many Muslim Islamics scholars, Gagasan Sejahtera, Banda Aceh, Denk, Ahrar Ash-Shaam (they're one of the good rebels if I'm not getting my names mixed up and if I remember my info correctly), that book on implementing Al-Islam in Nigeria that I had but lost, Islamic banks and mortgage and car companies, etc. Most important being the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah.

Ya'll should probably stop collectively waving an ISIS flag.

1: It's not an ISIS flag.
2: Not everyone waves it.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
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https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:02 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Ya'll should probably stop collectively waving an ISIS flag.

1: It's not an ISIS flag.
2: Not everyone waves it.

TIL that ISIS apparently does NOT wave this flag.
Image

Not everyone waves it.

Good on them for not waving an ISIS flag.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:08 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:1: It's not an ISIS flag.
2: Not everyone waves it.

TIL that ISIS apparently does NOT wave this flag.
Image

Not everyone waves it.

Good on them for not waving an ISIS flag.

It's not an ISIS flag. ISIS didn't invent it.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:TIL that ISIS apparently does NOT wave this flag.
Image


Good on them for not waving an ISIS flag.

It's not an ISIS flag. ISIS didn't invent it.

And Nazis didn't invent the Swastika, still gonna call most people who wave one a Nazi.
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Senkaku
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:TIL that ISIS apparently does NOT wave this flag.
Image


Good on them for not waving an ISIS flag.

It's not an ISIS flag. ISIS didn't invent it.

Step 1 in determining if something is an ISIS flag:
1- Does ISIS use this thing as their flag? If yes, it's an ISIS flag.

Step 1 in weaseling around your use of a flag used by terrorist organizations:
1- "Well, they use it, but they didn't INVENT it!"
[May be less effective if symbol in question is swastika, since everyone's already caught on to the bullshit there]
agreed honey. send bees

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:13 pm

Senkaku wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's not an ISIS flag. ISIS didn't invent it.

Step 1 in determining if something is an ISIS flag:
1- Does ISIS use this thing as their flag? If yes, it's an ISIS flag.

Step 1 in weaseling around your use of a flag used by terrorist organizations:
1- "Well, they use it, but they didn't INVENT it!"
[May be less effective if symbol in question is swastika, since everyone's already caught on to the bullshit there]

I mean I live in freaking Texas in the USA so I think the likelihood of me running into a Buddhist or Hindu who has one displayed is next to nil.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:14 pm

Senkaku wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's not an ISIS flag. ISIS didn't invent it.

Step 1 in determining if something is an ISIS flag:
1- Does ISIS use this thing as their flag? If yes, it's an ISIS flag.

Step 1 in weaseling around your use of a flag used by terrorist organizations:
1- "Well, they use it, but they didn't INVENT it!"
[May be less effective if symbol in question is swastika, since everyone's already caught on to the bullshit there]

It's not an ISIS flag, and the swastika is a religious symbol also.
But I might stop using the flag.
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Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
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https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:16 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Step 1 in determining if something is an ISIS flag:
1- Does ISIS use this thing as their flag? If yes, it's an ISIS flag.

Step 1 in weaseling around your use of a flag used by terrorist organizations:
1- "Well, they use it, but they didn't INVENT it!"
[May be less effective if symbol in question is swastika, since everyone's already caught on to the bullshit there]

It's not an ISIS flag, and the swastika is a religious symbol also.
But I might stop using the flag.

Oh god it's hilarious that you went to that, you prove my point. :lol:
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's not an ISIS flag, and the swastika is a religious symbol also.
But I might stop using the flag.

Oh god it's hilarious that you went to that, you prove my point. :lol:

What? It is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
And what point am I proving? Also, that shahada flag might not/isn't the flag of the Ummah.
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https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:21 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Oh god it's hilarious that you went to that, you prove my point. :lol:

What? It is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
And what point am I proving? Also, that shahada flag might not/isn't the flag of the Ummah.

You just quoted it and you didn't get it?
Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:It's not an ISIS flag. ISIS didn't invent it.

And Nazis didn't invent the Swastika, still gonna call most people who wave one a Nazi.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:27 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What? It is: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
And what point am I proving? Also, that shahada flag might not/isn't the flag of the Ummah.

You just quoted it and you didn't get it?
Genivaria wrote:And Nazis didn't invent the Swastika, still gonna call most people who wave one a Nazi.

So, Buddhists and Hindus and Jains are all Nazis?
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You just quoted it and you didn't get it?

So, Buddhists and Hindus and Jains are all Nazis?

Where's the face-palm emote when I need it? I can tell you weren't reading.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:50 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:So, Buddhists and Hindus and Jains are all Nazis?

Where's the face-palm emote when I need it? I can tell you weren't reading.

You said that anyone who waves a swastika is a Nazi to you. So from my understanding, any Buddhist, Hindu, Jain, or any other religious group that waves a swastika out of religious reason is a Nazi to you.
Edit: oh, you said "most". My apologies.
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Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
CLICK THIS
https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

Democracy and Freedom Index
Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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