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Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest?

Rurik
12
6%
Vladimir I the Great
12
6%
Alexander Nevsky
9
4%
Ivan I of Moscow
3
1%
Ivan IV the Terrible
23
11%
Boris Godunov
1
0%
Michael Romanov
2
1%
Peter I The Great
66
31%
Lenin
50
24%
Iosif Stalin
32
15%
 
Total votes : 210

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:16 pm

Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.

He wasn't before?
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:17 pm

Fahran wrote:
Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.

He wasn't before?

He had a nice mustache so that probably saved him some places.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:17 pm

Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.


Counterpoint: he beat the commies.
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Painisia
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Postby Painisia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.


Counterpoint: he beat the commies.

And the economic growth during his decade only came, when Franco finally allowed Spain to open up for the world
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Postby Northern Davincia » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:19 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.


Counterpoint: he beat the commies.

I'm glad we can focus on the good things in life.
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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:23 pm

Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.


Did the Republicans have a license for said kids, food and opinions?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.


Counterpoint: he beat the commies.

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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:28 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Did the Republicans have a license for said kids, food and opinions?

They did not.

Northern Davincia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Counterpoint: he beat the commies.

I'm glad we can focus on the good things in life.

Like sufganiyot?
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"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Herskerstad » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:35 pm

Fahran wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Did the Republicans have a license for said kids, food and opinions?

They did not.



Checkmate leftists.
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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:37 pm

Herskerstad wrote:Checkmate leftists.

I thought the leftists had no king to lose? They probably already guillotined him themselves. Instant checkmate.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."

- Song of the Fallen Star

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Postby Aellex » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:38 pm

Fahran wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:Checkmate leftists.

I thought the leftists had no king to lose? They probably already guillotined him themselves. Instant checkmate.

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:41 pm

Painisia wrote:Over 300 000 children were stolen during Franco`s rule in Spain. Now, Franco is in my worst dictator list.


"""Stolen"""

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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Jun 26, 2018 3:54 pm

Fahran wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Except me apparently, Miss "Everyone here but me supports the death penalty."

I made a mistake and I'm sorry for assigning to you an opinion you did not hold. I'm sincerely sorry.


I'm also not a fan of the death penalty, at least broadly.

There are circumstances that call for it.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Jun 26, 2018 5:38 pm

This is a great article, The Heresy of Equality (here published as How Equality is Misleading), by the great M.E. Bradford

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.o ... jaffa.html

Take a look if you get the chance, TEM, I think you would like it
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:13 pm

Fahran wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Stuff suggesting Joan of Arc was a witch, though that’s been largely disproven contrary to what Marches says.

Marches says all manner of silly things.

As for a cultural myth... the ceaseless portrayal of Jews as victims removed from mainstream society is irksome, especially given that we were often deeply involved in Gentile society and its intellectual movements. My favorite cultural myth is that Benjamin is a were-wolf and that Esau is a vampire. I'm still waiting for American pop culture to realize the gold-mine it's missing out on.

> Esau is a vampire.
Technically, by Vampire:The Masquerade’s lore...
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:14 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Fahran wrote:Marches says all manner of silly things.

As for a cultural myth... the ceaseless portrayal of Jews as victims removed from mainstream society is irksome, especially given that we were often deeply involved in Gentile society and its intellectual movements. My favorite cultural myth is that Benjamin is a were-wolf and that Esau is a vampire. I'm still waiting for American pop culture to realize the gold-mine it's missing out on.

> Esau is a vampire.
Technically, by Vampire:The Masquerade’s lore...

There needs to be a Hunter: The Vigil game, make it happen.
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:15 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Luminesa wrote:> Esau is a vampire.
Technically, by Vampire:The Masquerade’s lore...

There needs to be a Hunter: The Vigil game, make it happen.

I would do it but I’m not well-versed enough in the lore to make it.
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Luminesa » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:23 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:But seldom as a rule.

Because we will be judged according to how we judge, it is in the ruler's best interest to deal mercifully so that he will be dealt with mercifully.

A ruler also has to balance what will be the most merciful approach toward the people. The “ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country” approach. But otherwise I agree.
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
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Postby Reikoku » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:28 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Reikoku wrote:Does anyone have any historical myths that are personal pet peeves? Mine is probably the Zen samurai myth.

So do a lot of other things, doesn't mean they should be illegal. That aside, historically speaking, women tended to be hit harder than men when it came to these laws being enforced. Just another reason not to be enthusiastic about imitating ISIS.

Stuff suggesting Joan of Arc was a witch, though that’s been largely disproven contrary to what Marches says.


Are you saying PMMM isn't a reliable source of historical information?

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:48 pm

Reikoku wrote:Does anyone have any historical myths that are personal pet peeves? Mine is probably the Zen samurai myth.[…]


The exaggerations surrounding the Inquisition and it’s actions.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:03 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Reikoku wrote:Does anyone have any historical myths that are personal pet peeves? Mine is probably the Zen samurai myth.[…]


The exaggerations surrounding the Inquisition and it’s actions.

Not exaggerations, more like wrong place and time.
Central Europe during the Protestant Reformation not Salem, Massachusetts.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:34 pm

Reikoku wrote:Does anyone have any historical myths that are personal pet peeves? Mine is probably the Zen samurai myth.
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I agree that the death penalty is too harsh to be used at all, but adultery should be a crime. Not only is it a crime against the spouse, it's a crime against society because it takes away trust between individuals and has the huge potential to harm any children in the mix.


So do a lot of other things, doesn't mean they should be illegal. That aside, historically speaking, women tended to be hit harder than men when it came to these laws being enforced. Just another reason not to be enthusiastic about imitating ISIS.

Myth of the belief in the flat Earth.
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Postby Hakons » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:44 pm

Genivaria wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
The exaggerations surrounding the Inquisition and it’s actions.

Not exaggerations, more like wrong place and time.
Central Europe during the Protestant Reformation not Salem, Massachusetts.


The Inquisition was in Spain...
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:52 pm

Genivaria wrote:Not exaggerations, more like wrong place and time.[…]


They really are exaggerations. Especially when considering the Inquisition was kinder than the secular courts.

Genivaria wrote:[…]Central Europe during the Protestant Reformation[…]


Some examples?

Genivaria wrote:[…]not Salem, Massachusetts.


The Inquisition had no part in the Salem witch trails, nor any witch trial I can find, the Church denounced witchcraft.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Tue Jun 26, 2018 7:54 pm

Hakons wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Not exaggerations, more like wrong place and time.
Central Europe during the Protestant Reformation not Salem, Massachusetts.


The Inquisition was in Spain...


There was also the Portugal Inquisition and Roman Inquisition.

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