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Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest?

Rurik
12
6%
Vladimir I the Great
12
6%
Alexander Nevsky
9
4%
Ivan I of Moscow
3
1%
Ivan IV the Terrible
23
11%
Boris Godunov
1
0%
Michael Romanov
2
1%
Peter I The Great
66
31%
Lenin
50
24%
Iosif Stalin
32
15%
 
Total votes : 210

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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:13 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Luminesa wrote:...Why? I mean, adultery is awful, for example, but if a couple can settle it out-of-court then it would be a waste of prison-space.

If someone I knew were disloyal towards their partner then I'd refuse to speak to them again, they just proved that they're a trash person and their word means nothing.

That also works as settling out-of-court. Kinda.
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faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:18 pm

I support summary firing squads to resolve the matter; cheap and effective.
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Mladorossiya
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Postby Mladorossiya » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:20 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:I support summary firing squads to resolve the matter; cheap and effective.

>Not privatized Catholic death squads

Are you even right wing?
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:21 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:I support summary firing squads to resolve the matter; cheap and effective.

Firing squads to resolve what?
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:21 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:I support summary firing squads to resolve the matter; cheap and effective.

Firing squads to resolve what?


The matter of adultery.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:22 pm

Mladorossiya wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:I support summary firing squads to resolve the matter; cheap and effective.

>Not privatized Catholic death squads

Are you even right wing?


La Sombra Negra FTW
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:22 pm

Inetsograd Soviet wrote:Also daily reminder incel rebellions happened before


Yeah, I remember. One happened in Italy in the 1920's, and another happened in Germany in the 30's.

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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:24 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Firing squads to resolve what?


The matter of adultery.

What the heck? Seriously? For a matter that can be settled privately, or even in a civil manner without prison, you’d just shoot them?
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Postby Reikoku » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:24 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
The matter of adultery.

What the heck? Seriously? For a matter that can be settled privately, or even in a civil manner without prison, you’d just shoot them?


I remember the part of the Bible where Jesus machine gunned the adultress in front of the Pharisees.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Luminesa wrote:...Why? I mean, adultery is awful, for example, but if a couple can settle it out-of-court then it would be a waste of prison-space.

If someone I knew were disloyal towards their partner then I'd refuse to speak to them again, they just proved that they're a trash person and their word means nothing.


Understandable. I remember the shocked expression when a friend at work told me that she was cheating on her husband with someone from work. My response was "that's not a very good idea, you have children and your husband is a nice guy who doesn't deserve that". She asked why I didn't want her to be happy and I just said "you and your whole family will be happier if you don't split in favour of a quick bit of shallow excitement lusting after a pervert in the IT department".

I was utterly baffled that she expected me to respond positively.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
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Oil exporting People
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:26 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
The matter of adultery.

What the heck? Seriously? For a matter that can be settled privately, or even in a civil manner without prison, you’d just shoot them?


Yes, given sufficient evidence to warrant it. Otherwise I think a trial would be in order.
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:27 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Luminesa wrote:What the heck? Seriously? For a matter that can be settled privately, or even in a civil manner without prison, you’d just shoot them?


I remember the part of the Bible where Jesus machine gunned the adultress in front of the Pharisees.


Ah yes, just after the driveby on the moneylenders at the temple.
Are these "human rights" in the room with us right now?
★彡 Professional pessimist. Reactionary socialist and gamer liberationist. Coffee addict. Fun at parties 彡★
Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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Mladorossiya
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Postby Mladorossiya » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:27 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Understandable. I remember the shocked expression when a friend at work told me that she was cheating on her husband with someone from work. My response was "that's not a very good idea, you have children and your husband is a nice guy who doesn't deserve that". She asked why I didn't want her to be happy and I just said "you and your whole family will be happier if you don't split in favour of a quick bit of shallow excitement lusting after a pervert in the IT department".

I was utterly baffled that she expected me to respond positively.

I wonder how prevalent that sort of 'me first' attitude is in western society. It's been heavily encouraged by bullshit self-esteem and 'I'm special' programs in schools.
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:29 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Genivaria wrote:If someone I knew were disloyal towards their partner then I'd refuse to speak to them again, they just proved that they're a trash person and their word means nothing.


Understandable. I remember the shocked expression when a friend at work told me that she was cheating on her husband with someone from work. My response was "that's not a very good idea, you have children and your husband is a nice guy who doesn't deserve that". She asked why I didn't want her to be happy and I just said "you and your whole family will be happier if you don't split in favour of a quick bit of shallow excitement lusting after a pervert in the IT department".

I was utterly baffled that she expected me to respond positively.

“Why don’t you want me to be happy?”
“Because it isn’t happiness you’re feeling, it’s a little giddiness after doing it with someone. See how happy you are when you’re stuck in court and fighting for custody of the children.”
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:33 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Luminesa wrote:Firing squads to resolve what?


The matter of adultery.


Jesus Christ, mate. I understand how much you detest adultery, and trust me, I do too, but I think that’s a bit harsh.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:36 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
The matter of adultery.


Jesus Christ, mate. I understand how much you detest adultery, and trust me, I do too, but I think that’s a bit harsh.


By this logic, should we not have the Death Penalty at all?
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Postby Aellex » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:36 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:Jesus Christ, mate. I understand how much you detest adultery, and trust me, I do too, but I think that’s a bit harsh.

Yeah, that's rather stupid indeed. Give the cheated on spouse 75% of the assets and the custody of the children in the divorce, that's plenty enough.
No need to go around killing people.
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Luminesa
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Postby Luminesa » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:37 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Jesus Christ, mate. I understand how much you detest adultery, and trust me, I do too, but I think that’s a bit harsh.


By this logic, should we not have the Death Penalty at all?

I’d say we don’t need the death penalty, yes. But we could start a whole thread on the death penalty.
Catholic, pro-life, and proud of it. I prefer my debates on religion, politics, and sports with some coffee and a little Aquinas and G.K. CHESTERTON here and there. :3
Unofficial #1 fan of the Who Dat Nation.
"I'm just a singer of simple songs, I'm not a real political man. I watch CNN, but I'm not sure I can tell you the difference in Iraq and Iran. But I know Jesus, and I talk to God, and I remember this from when I was young:
faith, hope and love are some good things He gave us...
and the greatest is love."
-Alan Jackson
Help the Ukrainian people, here's some sources!
Help bring home First Nation girls! Now with more ways to help!
Jesus loves all of His children in Eastern Europe - pray for peace.
Pray for Ukraine, Wear Sunflowers In Your Hair

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Aellex
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Postby Aellex » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:38 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:By this logic, should we not have the Death Penalty at all?

"You don't want us to institute death squads to murder every petty thief? Well I suppose that means you must hate Justice!"
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RIP Balk, you were too good a shitposter for this site.

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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:39 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Jesus Christ, mate. I understand how much you detest adultery, and trust me, I do too, but I think that’s a bit harsh.


By this logic, should we not have the Death Penalty at all?


Well yeah, I’m pretty much against the death penalty in most if not all situations.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:41 pm

Aellex wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:By this logic, should we not have the Death Penalty at all?

"You don't want us to institute death squads to murder every petty thief? Well I suppose that means you must hate Justice!"


Image
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Postby Reikoku » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:46 pm

FelrikTheDeleted wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:
By this logic, should we not have the Death Penalty at all?


Well yeah, I’m pretty much against the death penalty in most if not all situations.


While I'm not for it, I wouldn't lose much sleep over a murderer being hanged and can understand why people would support that. But if you believe adulterers ought to be executed by Einsatzgruppen, it says a lot about your mental health and lack of morals.

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Postby Aellex » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:48 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:(Image)

If anything, that rather apply to your argument that opposing the creation of Death Squads for the sake of assassinating cheaters means that you must automatically oppose the Death Penalty itself in all its forms.
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Postby Oil exporting People » Mon Jun 25, 2018 11:56 pm

Aellex wrote:
Oil exporting People wrote:(Image)

If anything, that rather apply to your argument that opposing the creation of Death Squads for the sake of assassinating cheaters means that you must automatically oppose the Death Penalty itself in all its forms.


That would be an accurate assessment if it matched what the argument has been; point was if the death penalty is too extreme a punishment for a crime, why have it at all?
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:14 am

Mladorossiya wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Understandable. I remember the shocked expression when a friend at work told me that she was cheating on her husband with someone from work. My response was "that's not a very good idea, you have children and your husband is a nice guy who doesn't deserve that". She asked why I didn't want her to be happy and I just said "you and your whole family will be happier if you don't split in favour of a quick bit of shallow excitement lusting after a pervert in the IT department".

I was utterly baffled that she expected me to respond positively.

I wonder how prevalent that sort of 'me first' attitude is in western society. It's been heavily encouraged by bullshit self-esteem and 'I'm special' programs in schools.


Hyper-individualist ideology makes people see the world like they're the protagonist of a book or film. Their character arc is "the point" of the story, the supporting cast is disposable, and other people and communities only matter inasmuch as performance of a few collective rituals and posting about it on social media declares something about the individual's "identity".
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Freedom is when people agree with you, and the more people you can force to act like they agree the freer society is
You are the trolley problem's conductor. You could stop the train in time but you do not. Nobody knows you're part of the equation. You satisfy your bloodlust and get away with it every time

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