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Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest?

Rurik
12
6%
Vladimir I the Great
12
6%
Alexander Nevsky
9
4%
Ivan I of Moscow
3
1%
Ivan IV the Terrible
23
11%
Boris Godunov
1
0%
Michael Romanov
2
1%
Peter I The Great
66
31%
Lenin
50
24%
Iosif Stalin
32
15%
 
Total votes : 210

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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:14 pm

There's no such thing as over-regulation tbh.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:14 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:There's no such thing as over-regulation tbh.

When companies can no longer function that might be a bit much.
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:15 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:There's no such thing as over-regulation tbh.

When companies can no longer function that might be a bit much.

That's where the state comes in to take the burden and responsibility of their nation's industries.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:16 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:That's where the state comes in to take the burden and responsibility of their nation's industries.

But what about when the state regulates its own industries to the point where they are no longer functional? Would that not be overregulation?
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:18 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:But what about when the state regulates its own industries to the point where they are no longer functional? Would that not be overregulation?

*Bureaucracy Intensifies*

Edit: Yeah, probably. That might be going a little too far.
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:19 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:I never said “no regulations”, I keep using the phrase “over regulations”, and people on the RWDT keep strawmaning my agrunment to make it seem I’m advocating some sort of ancap bullshit.

There's no effective difference due the principle championed by your argument, something you seem determined not to understand.


If a regulations would cost a company more to stay than to relocate, then its over regulation.

I never thought I would debate the merits and harms of over regulation with a bunch of right-wingers three or four years ago.
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:20 pm

Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:If a regulations would cost a company more to stay here than to relocate, then its over regulation.

I never thought I would debate the merits and harms of over regulation with a bunch of right-wingers three or four years ago.

Not all right-wingers are libertarian 'free market' advocates, unless you consider fascists or protectionist right-wingers as leftist.
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:22 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:If a regulations would cost a company more to stay here than to relocate, then its over regulation.

I never thought I would debate the merits and harms of over regulation with a bunch of right-wingers three or four years ago.

Not all right-wingers are libertarian 'free market' advocates, unless you consider fascists or protectionist right-wingers as leftist.



I think its more to do with the right-wing becoming more concern with issues such as nationalism and culture that they have changed or forsaken their belief in free markets.
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:25 pm

Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:I think its more to do with the right-wing becoming more concern with issues such as nationalism and culture that they have changed or forsaken their belief in free markets.

I don't think that the right-wing is inherently pro-free markets. That seems fairly America-centric.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:25 pm

Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:
Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:Not all right-wingers are libertarian 'free market' advocates, unless you consider fascists or protectionist right-wingers as leftist.



I think its more to do with the right-wing becoming more concern with issues such as nationalism and culture that they have changed or forsaken their belief in free markets.

The original right wing (i.e. the reactionaries) were anti-free market.
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:The original right wing (i.e. the reactionaries) were anti-free market.

Exactly. I'd challenge a libertarian to explain how serfdom and the guilds were free market.
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:

I think its more to do with the right-wing becoming more concern with issues such as nationalism and culture that they have changed or forsaken their belief in free markets.

The original right wing (i.e. the reactionaries) were anti-free market.


I know, the values of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine and of constitutional republicanism and democracy are “leftist”. :p
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:28 pm

Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:If a regulations would cost a company more to stay than to relocate, then its over regulation.

On what timeframe?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:31 pm

Sparta > Athens, prove me wrong.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Sparta > Athens, prove me wrong.

I don't even care if it's accurate, I hate people who love Sparta so much I'll disagree with it out of sheer spite.
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Sparta > Athens, prove me wrong.

That's so low-effort.

Thebes > Sparta > Athens
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Postby Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:33 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Delta-9 Tetrahydrocannabinol wrote:If a regulations would cost a company more to stay than to relocate, then its over regulation.

On what timeframe?


I’m sure when considering relocation, a company would take into account the timeframe. A company does not decide just move to another country within 24 hours. They look at the added costs that regulations would add, and overtime, they have come to the conclusion that operating costs would increase so much that relocation would be cheaper.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I don't even care if it's accurate, I hate people who love Sparta so much I'll disagree with it out of sheer spite.

I do sympathize with that, tbh. Agis IV did nothing wrong though.
Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Sparta > Athens, prove me wrong.

That's so low-effort.

Thebes > Sparta > Athens

>> supporting Persian sympathizers

This is a family-friendly thread, SIR
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Postby Salus Maior » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:36 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Sparta > Athens, prove me wrong.

That's so low-effort.

Thebes > Sparta > Athens


Macedon > All those petty city states fighting over a single peninsula (?).

The Peloponnese is a peninsula, right?
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:41 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Sparta > Athens, prove me wrong.

That's so low-effort.

Thebes > Sparta > Athens

Oedipus would be proud.
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:45 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:>> supporting Persian sympathizers

This is a family-friendly thread, SIR

Those same Persian sympathizers that kicked Sparta's asses. ;)
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:47 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:Those same Persian sympathizers that kicked Sparta's asses. ;)

Tell me who won that war again?

Also, they managed to fight on the losing side on the Battle of Thermopylae before they switched to the side that would later lose, so they're losers twice over, and cowardly traitors as well! 0/10, Thebes was trash.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:47 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> supporting Persian sympathizers

This is a family-friendly thread, SIR

Those same Persian sympathizers that kicked Sparta's asses. ;)


Literally everyone kicked Sparta's ass lol
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Postby Rashidi Jabal Shammar » Sun Jun 17, 2018 7:59 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:Those same Persian sympathizers that kicked Sparta's asses. ;)

Tell me who won that war again?

Also, they managed to fight on the losing side on the Battle of Thermopylae before they switched to the side that would later lose, so they're losers twice over, and cowardly traitors as well! 0/10, Thebes was trash.

Thebes won the Battle of Leuctra.

>Bringing up the Greco-Persian wars to prove a point
I knew your cries of supporting Sparta rang false, you filthy Athenian.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sun Jun 17, 2018 8:00 pm

Rashidi Jabal Shammar wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Tell me who won that war again?

Also, they managed to fight on the losing side on the Battle of Thermopylae before they switched to the side that would later lose, so they're losers twice over, and cowardly traitors as well! 0/10, Thebes was trash.

Thebes won the Battle of Leuctra.

>Bringing up the Greco-Persian wars to prove a point
I knew your cries of supporting Sparta rang false, you filthy Athenian.

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