RWDT XII - 12 Step program to get Right.

[Genivaria]

Women can get in the military here, though it's rare for them to pass the testing. The ones who do though are pretty badass. One climbed up a tree with a saw in their mouth.

Where is 'here' for you?

[The East Marches II]

>Putting it back with progressives

555-come-on-now

Right, and banning women is more likely to happen?

Not even close to be likely. We'll just be stuck with this and the lower efficiency in the name of an ideological goal. People will get killed but these sorts of things never come to the surface when the public sees the body count.

[Kvatchdom]

Women can get in the military here, though it's rare for them to pass the testing. The ones who do though are pretty badass. One climbed up a tree with a saw in their mouth.

Where is 'here' for you?

Finland. There's also a movement to extend the conscription for women, though I don't know if it's gonna do anything lmao.

[Oil exporting People]

Have men do the evacuation lifting.

What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.

I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?

Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.

Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.

[Kvatchdom]

There are a lot of non combat military jobs too. Accounting and finance, weapons development, medicine, intelligence, etc. I can't see a reason why being a woman would cause a disadvantage in those.

You're not gonna change the mind of a national syndicalist I'm afraid.

[Luminesa]

Also you can really abuse the Reformed mechanics by turning the war focus on only during battles which saves your points.
Protestants and others have a cool down period.

Yup, though if you are a true reformed you need to invade Armenia. Only people with some theological thrift will understand that joke.

YOU LEAVE ARMENIA OUT OF THIS. THEY ARE BASED FIRST CHRISTIAN BROS.

[The East Marches II]

Have men do the evacuation lifting.

What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.

I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?

Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.

Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.

At this point though, we don't even have the men to fill role or good quality ones. They will be needed to free up people somewhere even if the impossible happens and the old standards come back.

[Oil exporting People]

There are a lot of non combat military jobs too. Accounting and finance, weapons development, medicine, intelligence, etc. I can't see a reason why being a woman would cause a disadvantage in those.

You're not gonna change the mind of a national syndicalist I'm afraid.

I'm the one who actually presented empirical data.

[New Emeline]

You're not gonna change the mind of a national syndicalist I'm afraid.

I'm the one who actually presented empirical data.

About combat roles, not non combat ones.

[Genivaria]

You're not gonna change the mind of a national syndicalist I'm afraid.

I'm the one who actually presented empirical data.

Which didn't match what you claimed.

[Kvatchdom]

Have men do the evacuation lifting.

What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.

I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?

Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.

Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.

More people. Having a larger military never hurt anyone. You're implying they wouldn't all die just the same if they were all men in that situation.

No, transporters don't do lifting, the logistics fellas do. Everyone is at risk of being captured. And if a woman passes those physical tests they should be allowed to serve.

[Genivaria]

Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.

[The East Marches II]

Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.

He is 110% correct that it is a national security issue

[Kvatchdom]

Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.

Hey, conscription might help with that.

[Kvatchdom]

You're not gonna change the mind of a national syndicalist I'm afraid.

I'm the one who actually presented empirical data.

The marines who conducted it said that there was no reason to bar women from service however. I believe they know better than we do.

[The East Marches II]

Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.

Hey, conscription might help with that.

Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.

[Genivaria]

Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.

Hey, conscription might help with that.

I've previously said something similar.

[Genivaria]

Hey, conscription might help with that.

Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.

Even the fucking Chinese had to keep dropping their standards for conscription because so many young men failed the physical requirements.

[Kvatchdom]

Hey, conscription might help with that.

Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.

Not 4 years, 6-12 months, and they can continue service if they please. Conscripts should not serve abroad either during this service, it'd be more of a training period to ensure combat readiness when they are needed, and could offer many young men experience in work areas.

Hey, conscription might help with that.

I've previously said something similar.

Nice.

[Zanera]

Have men do the evacuation lifting.

What's the point of even having a woman there at that point then? Assessing, providing immediate first aid and then evacuating casualties is the entire job of combat medics; a male can do all of this on his own, while with women you now need an extra person who does nothing but stand until he needs to carry something. This puts more people at risk and overall wastes resources.

I also don't think I should mention how blatantly obvious it is that achieving the above under fire is not a guaranteed; what happens if all the men in a unit are injured or dead? What then?

Piloting and transport are not obvious in any way.

Transporting in a logistics train typically means lots of lifting and other related duties, and also means you're still at risk of combat. Look up Jessica Lynch for example. As for piloting, it has immense physical requirements due to the strain of G force turns, among other issue, which means the female physical limitations reduce their effectiveness as pilots.

What about Jessica Lynch? Do you not like soldiers that get captured?

[The East Marches II]

Can you trust the majority of the male population with training at this point? How do you make sure tactics, training and other things don't find their way to gangs or other groups? How do we deal with the effects of a considerable portion of the country losing 4 years or so of their lives? How do you reintegrate them en masse and make sure they fit? The conscription tradition has been broken so these are all things that have to now be addressed again. I'm not saying it isn't a bad idea, rather I've not come up with solutions to the above and hope others have clever ideas.

Even the fucking Chinese had to keep dropping their standards for conscription because so many young men failed the physical requirements.

There is no surprise there tbh. My High School's gym time was really productive and helped people stay fit. Perhaps something national like that should be looked into. Or if you stay fit between a conscriptable age, you get Uncle Sugar covering your healthcare.

[Aillyria]

There are a lot of non combat military jobs too. Accounting and finance, weapons development, medicine, intelligence, etc. I can't see a reason why being a woman would cause a disadvantage in those.

They wouldn't. But for combat roles, women generally are cut out for it. Power to those that are though.

[Genivaria]

Also relevant to this discussion.
Obesity is a National Security Issue: Lieutenant General Mark Hertling at TEDxMidAtlantic 2012
I remember in high school that PE was voluntary half the time and alot of the time we just did nothing for an hour.

He is 110% correct that it is a national security issue

There's a page with the transcript.

First of all, 75% or more a little bit more actually of the civilians who wanted to join the Army were not qualified to do so. 75% of the 17-24 year olds who wanted to join the Army were not qualified and the number one reason was because they were obese. Of the 25% that could join the Army what we found on the first day of basic training was that about 60% of them could not pass the PT test that we gave on the first day. And that was: one minute of push-ups, one minute of sit-ups and a one-mile run.

https://singjupost.com/obesity-is-a-nat ... ranscript/
That's fucking horrifying.

[Genivaria]

Even the fucking Chinese had to keep dropping their standards for conscription because so many young men failed the physical requirements.

There is no surprise there tbh. My High School's gym time was really productive and helped people stay fit. Perhaps something national like that should be looked into. Or if you stay fit between a conscriptable age, you get Uncle Sugar covering your healthcare.

I like those ideas, I knew you had a bit of collectivist in you.

[Reikoku]