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Which Kievan/Novrogrodian/Russian/Soviet leader was the greatest?

Rurik
12
6%
Vladimir I the Great
12
6%
Alexander Nevsky
9
4%
Ivan I of Moscow
3
1%
Ivan IV the Terrible
23
11%
Boris Godunov
1
0%
Michael Romanov
2
1%
Peter I The Great
66
31%
Lenin
50
24%
Iosif Stalin
32
15%
 
Total votes : 210

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Bienenhalde
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Postby Bienenhalde » Wed May 02, 2018 8:32 pm

No it was because of an argument he had with CM.

Farnhamia wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:Your mom wasn't even neighborly enough to stay married, but that's a problem with liberalism, aye.

American communities have always been glued firmly together, that's all that made them stand together. There was no individualist pioneering spirit with the Puritans or the Cavaliers who settled here.

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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Wed May 02, 2018 8:34 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:Confucianism is not as influential in Japan as in China and Korea.


Maybe, I can't say for sure. But that doesn't mean it hasn't played a tremendous role in Japanese philosophy, politics, and religion. One of the most well known titles for the Emperor, Tennō, comes directly from Confucianism. Though considering that Confucianism tended to represent positivism, rationalism, and naturalism around the 19th century, I'm surprised you're championing it this much.
Bienenhalde wrote:And given their general lifestyles


???
Bienenhalde wrote:and their conduct in wartime,


... you're judging modern people's morality based on something that happened 73 years ago? Despite the fact that the modern Japanese state is probably the most pacifistic in the world? But, that aside, the Japanese Army during events such as the Boxer Rebellion, Russo-Japanese War, and World War 1 were very chivalrous and markedly restrained in contrast to the good Christian Europeans who liked to indulge in rape and massacres of the inferior Asiatic populace. The Japanese atrocities in WW2 have their basis in the radicalization of the army in the 1930's and the brutalization of military training which resulted in troops being eager to take out their frustrations on the helpless populace and believing that brutality = respect.

tl;dr This point was bad and you should feel bad.
Bienenhalde wrote:my impression is that most Japanese laity are only nominally Buddhist, maybe performing some rituals but giving little attention to the moral dimensions of the faith.


:roll:

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Zanera
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Postby Zanera » Wed May 02, 2018 8:44 pm

Valgora wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Someone made a post in the Moderation forum reporting bait towards Reikoku, the mods agreed that it was bait, and he was banned for a few days.

Now the question is.... do I throw the person who reported him under the bus in RWDT?
It would be kinda fun probably.


I don't think we should form a lynching party over it, it'll only attract more Mod attention and it's just not worthwhile.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed May 02, 2018 8:44 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Benuty wrote:I wouldn't wait on getting a response for that since it will be a few days before Parkus gets back from the mod gulag.


What did Parkus do?


Nothing; Mods got my Day One in lockup and won't even let us say RIP.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 8:45 pm

Valgora wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:Someone made a post in the Moderation forum reporting bait towards Reikoku, the mods agreed that it was bait, and he was banned for a few days.

Now the question is.... do I throw the person who reported him under the bus in RWDT?
It would be kinda fun probably.

I don't imagine it would be for the person who posted it.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed May 02, 2018 8:46 pm

Cekoviu wrote:I don't imagine it would be for the person who posted it.

It's literally on the first page of moderation; what's with playing coy?
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 8:46 pm

Bienenhalde wrote:No it was because of an argument he had with CM.

Farnhamia wrote:*** 3 day ban for baiting. ***

Ah, I assumed it was towards Reikoku because Rei responded in a pissed-off tone. My bad.
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Postby Cekoviu » Wed May 02, 2018 8:47 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Cekoviu wrote:I don't imagine it would be for the person who posted it.

It's literally on the first page of moderation; what's with playing coy?

I did not have sexual rel-- wrong line, uh...
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Valgora
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Postby Valgora » Wed May 02, 2018 8:47 pm

Cekoviu wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:It's literally on the first page of moderation; what's with playing coy?

I did not have sexual rel-- wrong line, uh...

I smoked but did not inhale?
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed May 02, 2018 8:52 pm

Mosleyite Britannia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:This man earned his citizenship in the legions. I'll not have you slander his contribution. I have his honesta missio right here (after he dies his land will be mine :^) )

You misunderstand me Marius, the Tarpeian Rock was a place where only the foulest criminals or most-treacherous traitors were executed. You slander as you recognize CM's citizenship.


>Labeling me a Marius

I'm on suicide watch. brb, falling on my own sword at this BTFO and the comment on the rock.

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Postby Mosleyite Britannia » Wed May 02, 2018 8:55 pm

The East Marches II wrote:>Labeling me a Marius

I'm on suicide watch. brb, falling on my own sword at this BTFO and the comment on the rock.

Sorry that you hate a real Roman hero.
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Conserative Morality
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed May 02, 2018 9:20 pm

Mosleyite Britannia wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:>> coming from a Brit

What's the value of a Brit to a Roman? 20-1?

Gallic infestation, doesn't count (the only true Brits are Anglo-Saxons).

Also, trusting Dio. :roll:

You thought it was a reputable historian, but in reality...
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The East Marches II
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed May 02, 2018 9:58 pm

Mosleyite Britannia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:>Labeling me a Marius

I'm on suicide watch. brb, falling on my own sword at this BTFO and the comment on the rock.

Sorry that you hate a real Roman hero.


Marius was a traitor, Sulla did nothing wrong

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Postby Mosleyite Britannia » Wed May 02, 2018 10:27 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Marius was a traitor, Sulla did nothing wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J83lw0eFIJA
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Herskerstad
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu May 03, 2018 3:08 am

Image
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 03, 2018 3:19 am

Herskerstad wrote:

>> Felrik

I'm fucking dead

>> CM: Neutral Evil

Heh, finally getting the recognition I-

>> MITHRADATES

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Postby Herskerstad » Thu May 03, 2018 3:26 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Herskerstad wrote:

>> Felrik

I'm fucking dead

>> CM: Neutral Evil

Heh, finally getting the recognition I-

>> MITHRADATES

Image


Sadly in image form I could not troll you with a Vespasian bait. : ' )
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Postby Conserative Morality » Thu May 03, 2018 3:41 am

Herskerstad wrote:Sadly in image form I could not troll you with a Vespasian bait. : ' )

Look, I'm not saying I want to burn down the temple, but if you don't open these gates THIS INSTANT I WILL GIVE YOU SUCH A PINCH
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Postby FelrikTheDeleted » Thu May 03, 2018 4:14 am

Conserative Morality wrote:>> Felrik

I'm fucking dead


Wat

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 03, 2018 4:28 am

Hellenic Polytheist, Socialist

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Genivaria
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Postby Genivaria » Thu May 03, 2018 4:59 am

Herskerstad wrote:

-TEM
-TEM
"Look here fello Latin, I know a fucking shortcut."
And I'm dead.
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Postby Ceolophysia » Thu May 03, 2018 6:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:


We need to open temples for Washington ASAP.

I, for one, could get behind such a religion.
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Old Tyrannia
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Thu May 03, 2018 7:26 am

RWDT regulars as characters from Tolkien's Middle Earth legendarium:

- Conserative Morality: Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, twenty-fifth and final King of Númenor. He believed unfalteringly in the greatness of his kingdom, and that it would never end; and his confidence led him to invite a corrupting and evil influence into Númenor, believing his enemy to be irrevocably defeated. Instead the Númenorean Empire was destroyed from within, and Ar-Pharazôn was remembered as both the mightiest in power and most vainglorious and foolish of the kings of Númenor.

- Dumb Ideologies: Saruman the White, self-styled as Saruman of Many Colours, known of old as Curumo, the Skillful; once the greatest of the Istari sent to Middle Earth to aid in the final defeat of Sauron, the Great Enemy. He spent too much time trying to understand his enemy, however, and gradually his tinkering in the dark arts led to his own corruption and fall into darkness.

- Herskerstad: Denethor II, twenty-sixth and final Steward of Gondor. For many years ruled wisely and was respected by the people of Gondor, but became bitter and jealous of his power which he had no intention of ever actually forsaking, forgetting that he was merely custodian of Gondor and not its rightful king.

- The Parkus Empire: Thranduil, King of the Woodland Realm. Cautious, severe and occasionally callous, viewing outsiders with contempt and preferring to keep his realm isolated from the happenings of the outside world. Views other peoples, particularly dwarves and men, as morally compromised and unreliable.

- The East Marches: The Master of Laketown. A silver-tongued politician uninterested in higher moral quandaries, his principal concerns are with personal wealth and prestige. Fond of realpolitik and occasionally a masterful troll.

- Benuty: Tom Bombadil. Mysterious and jovial figure; his past is shrouded in mystery, but there are hits that he is something far greater than he appears, and of eldritch origins.

- Kubumba Tribe/El-Amin Caliphate: Ulfang the Black, chieftain of the Easterlings in the First Age. An untrustworthy figure with ties to the East who swore allegiance to Caranthir the Dark, son of Fëanor, only to betray him to Morgoth.

- Reikoku: Bór, another Easterling chieftain of the First Age. Unlike Ulfang, Bór was an honourable warrior who remained true to his promise of fealty to the Noldor, only to be tragically cut down at the Nírnaeth Arnoediad following Ulfang's betrayal.

- Fahran: The fair lady Galadriel, with her consort Celeborn guardian of Lothlórien. Although no stranger to pride or to the desire for political power, particularly in her youth, she was amongst the longest-lived and wisest of all the elves in Middle Earth and had the good sense to distrust Sauron when he came to the elves in the guise of Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts." In the Third Age, her will was strong enough to resist the allure of the One Ring, even when offered freely to her.

- United Marxist Nations: Sauron the Sorceror, Dark Lord of Mordor, known of old as Mairon the Admirable. Once amongst the greatest of the Maiar, his desire for order and dislike of wasteful friction led him to become enamoured with the great power of Morgoth, and ultimately corrupted by the powers of darkness. He nonetheless retained enough of his former virtue to remain loyal to Morgoth during the First Age, and was notably wiser and craftier than his master, playing a part in all of Morgoth's machinations.

Of course, I too would be a good match for Sauron, as I was corrupted by dark forces through my desire for order, and my eye, like that of Sauron, sees all :p

- Felrik: Thrór, son of Dáin, King under the Mountain. A capable ruler, courageous, proud and honourable, but prone to lust for gold and jewels (probably not helped at all by the ring of power in his possession).
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Postby Claorica » Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:RWDT regulars as characters from Tolkien's Middle Earth legendarium:

- Conserative Morality: Ar-Pharazôn the Golden, twenty-fifth and final King of Númenor. He believed unfalteringly in the greatness of his kingdom, and that it would never end; and his confidence led him to invite a corrupting and evil influence into Númenor, believing his enemy to be irrevocably defeated. Instead the Númenorean Empire was destroyed from within, and Ar-Pharazôn was remembered as both the mightiest in power and most vainglorious and foolish of the kings of Númenor.

- Dumb Ideologies: Saruman the White, self-styled as Saruman of Many Colours, known of old as Curumo, the Skillful; once the greatest of the Istari sent to Middle Earth to aid in the final defeat of Sauron, the Great Enemy. He spent too much time trying to understand his enemy, however, and gradually his tinkering in the dark arts led to his own corruption and fall into darkness.

- Herskerstad: Denethor II, twenty-sixth and final Steward of Gondor. For many years ruled wisely and was respected by the people of Gondor, but became bitter and jealous of his power which he had no intention of ever actually forsaking, forgetting that he was merely custodian of Gondor and not its rightful king.

- The Parkus Empire: Thranduil, King of the Woodland Realm. Cautious, severe and occasionally callous, viewing outsiders with contempt and preferring to keep his realm isolated from the happenings of the outside world. Views other peoples, particularly dwarves and men, as morally compromised and unreliable.

- The East Marches: The Master of Laketown. A silver-tongued politician uninterested in higher moral quandaries, his principal concerns are with personal wealth and prestige. Fond of realpolitik and occasionally a masterful troll.

- Benuty: Tom Bombadil. Mysterious and jovial figure; his past is shrouded in mystery, but there are hits that he is something far greater than he appears, and of eldritch origins.

- Kubumba Tribe/El-Amin Caliphate: Ulfang the Black, chieftain of the Easterlings in the First Age. An untrustworthy figure with ties to the East who swore allegiance to Caranthir the Dark, son of Fëanor, only to betray him to Morgoth.

- Reikoku: Bór, another Easterling chieftain of the First Age. Unlike Ulfang, Bór was an honourable warrior who remained true to his promise of fealty to the Noldor, only to be tragically cut down at the Nírnaeth Arnoediad following Ulfang's betrayal.

- Fahran: The fair lady Galadriel, with her consort Celeborn guardian of Lothlórien. Although no stranger to pride or to the desire for political power, particularly in her youth, she was amongst the longest-lived and wisest of all the elves in Middle Earth and had the good sense to distrust Sauron when he came to the elves in the guise of Annatar, the "Lord of Gifts." In the Third Age, her will was strong enough to resist the allure of the One Ring, even when offered freely to her.

- United Marxist Nations: Sauron the Sorceror, Dark Lord of Mordor, known of old as Mairon the Admirable. Once amongst the greatest of the Maiar, his desire for order and dislike of wasteful friction led him to become enamoured with the great power of Morgoth, and ultimately corrupted by the powers of darkness. He nonetheless retained enough of his former virtue to remain loyal to Morgoth during the First Age, and was notably wiser and craftier than his master, playing a part in all of Morgoth's machinations.

Of course, I too would be a good match for Sauron, as I was corrupted by dark forces through my desire for order, and my eye, like that of Sauron, sees all :p

- Felrik: Thrór, son of Dáin, King under the Mountain. A capable ruler, courageous, proud and honourable, but prone to lust for gold and jewels (probably not helped at all by the ring of power in his possession).


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Postby Herskerstad » Thu May 03, 2018 7:37 am

OT, classy as always.

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