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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:56 pm

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They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

I think it'd be fair and accurate to place incels on the same level as many young men who've been recruited by white supremacism and Islamist extremism: their core anxieties are generally genuine (the social isolation, economic stagnation, etc.), but their rationalizations for them are wrong.


Which is why the MRM is important.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:58 pm

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They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

Oppressed how?

"Naturally psychopathic femoids are literally violating our human rights and destroying our mental and physical health by refusing to have sex with us deformed subhumans."
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:58 pm

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Walk it back, atta boy Gauth, wouldn't want to get caught out would you? :^)

Still itching to bait I see.


No, just commenting on your previous statements and moderation here to save face. Nothing baity about calling somebody out for dishonest tactics.

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Postby New Emeline » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:59 pm

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New Emeline wrote:Oppressed how?

"Naturally psychopathic femoids are literally violating our human rights and destroying our mental and physical health by refusing to have sex with us deformed subhumans."

Umm, what is a femoid???

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Postby Liriena » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:59 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Liriena wrote:I think it'd be fair and accurate to place incels on the same level as many young men who've been recruited by white supremacism and Islamist extremism: their core anxieties are generally genuine (the social isolation, economic stagnation, etc.), but their rationalizations for them are wrong.


Which is why the MRM is important.

This is one instance in which I agree with you.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Oppressed how?

"Naturally psychopathic femoids are literally violating our human rights and destroying our mental and physical health by refusing to have sex with us deformed subhumans."


Natural psychopathy/sociopathy in women is a common thread through the bio"truth" mens movements.
This should be suggestive about the overall treatment of men, but apparently doesn't cause much self-reflection. Like I said; "Feminism is the organized expression of womens nature" is something they all agree with.
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:00 pm

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The biases people have are real, but I'd think that the employer thinking that he is married, surely isn't the only reason? If they weren't capable of performing the job which they were applying for, then of course they're going to pass you over.

That boss probably subconsciously thinks- "Oh, you're single and don't need to support a family? Then I guess I don't need to pay you as much, being that you're only supporting yourself, hmm?..."

The day someone does an article like this about the male/female wage gap will be a cold day in hell, but observations within are relevant

This translates into a substantial marriage premium for men. On average, young married men, aged 28-30, make $15,900 more than their single peers, and married men aged 44-46 make $18,800 more than their single peers.

That’s even after controlling for differences in education, race, ethnicity, regional unemployment, and scores on a test of general knowledge. What’s more: the marriage premium operates for black, Hispanic, and less-educated men in much the same way as it does for men in general.

For instance, men with a high-school degree or less make at least $17,000 more than their single peers.

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And yet the research suggests at least part of the marriage premium is causal: one study showed gains at work when men are married compared to when the same men were not married and another study of twins found that married twins earned 26 percent more than their identical twins who were not married.

Some worry that what we’re really saying is that it is wives’ job to make their men better. But the reality is much more complex.


The wage gap between married men and single men might actually be larger than the one between men and women. More specifically:

4. Employers like married men with children. There is evidence that employers prefer and promote men who are married with children, especially compared to their childless male peers and to mothers. Married men are often seen as more responsible and dedicated workers and are rewarded with more opportunities by employers. While illegal bias and long-held stereotypes appear to play a role in this historic preference, it nonetheless helps explain why married family men get paid more.


Employers prefer you have a woman's approval.


This is not surprising in and of itself. There has been a concentrated effort to remove societal expectations for one side of the matter, this is leftovers. I'd like to see more people try to connect though. It is odd to see this occur in the age of the internet. Where friends are a discord or a teamspeak away.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:00 pm

Torrocca wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:No, people will mock you and attack you without knowing anything about you other than that you're a lonely virgin. I already outlined my experience with this.


Odd how I've never experienced that. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

Many with mental illness causing social isolation have experienced similar, and you can see that on any incel forum where they complain about social interactions and the way people treat them.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:00 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Still itching to bait I see.


No, just commenting on your previous statements and moderation here to save face. Nothing baity about calling somebody out for dishonest tactics.

Only if you disingenuously equate pointing out the problem with easy peasy access to firearms as a call to ban them all like you did, and try to bait in the process.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:00 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Liriena wrote:"Naturally psychopathic femoids are literally violating our human rights and destroying our mental and physical health by refusing to have sex with us deformed subhumans."

Umm, what is a femoid???

It's how they often refer to women, with the intention of dehumanizing them.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:01 pm

Liriena wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Umm, what is a femoid???

It's how they often refer to women, with the intention of dehumanizing them.

Femoid sounds like a cool alien from an old sci fi novel.
"Greetings, we are the Femoids from planet Femo! We come in peace!"
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:01 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Galloism wrote:The day someone does an article like this about the male/female wage gap will be a cold day in hell, but observations within are relevant



The wage gap between married men and single men might actually be larger than the one between men and women. More specifically:



Employers prefer you have a woman's approval.


This is not surprising in and of itself. There has been a concentrated effort to remove societal expectations for one side of the matter, this is leftovers. I'd like to see more people try to connect though. It is odd to see this occur in the age of the internet. Where friends are a discord or a teamspeak away.

I mean, I appreciate being able to talk to people on discord, teamspeak, and skype, but it's really not the same as having friends and romantic relationships IRL. It still feels like missing out.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:02 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
This is not surprising in and of itself. There has been a concentrated effort to remove societal expectations for one side of the matter, this is leftovers. I'd like to see more people try to connect though. It is odd to see this occur in the age of the internet. Where friends are a discord or a teamspeak away.

I mean, I appreciate being able to talk to people on discord, teamspeak, and skype, but it's really not the same as having friends and romantic relationships IRL. It still feels like missing out.


Tbqh when it comes to friendship I'd say that's one thing the modern era has helped with. Some of the people I've met online are far better friends than anyone I ever knew IRL.
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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:03 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's how they often refer to women, with the intention of dehumanizing them.

Femoid sounds like a cool alien from an old sci fi novel.
"Hello, we are the Femoids from planet Femo! We come in peace!"

Most InCels treat women like space aliens, so little surprise.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:03 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Liriena wrote:It's how they often refer to women, with the intention of dehumanizing them.

Femoid sounds like a cool alien from an old sci fi novel.
"Hello, we are the Femoids from planet Femo! We come in peace!"

:lol:

Just to inject a bit of levity into this otherwise awful topic, here's Jim Fucking Sterling, Son. :D
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:03 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
No, just commenting on your previous statements and moderation here to save face. Nothing baity about calling somebody out for dishonest tactics.

Only if you disingenuously equate pointing out the problem with easy peasy access to firearms as a call to ban them all like you did, and try to bait in the process.


If you think I baited, report me Gauthier. I am hurt however by that accusation, especially after I tried so hard to help you last time. Don't get us both another ban friendo.

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Postby Saiwania » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:04 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:I mean, I appreciate being able to talk to people on discord, teamspeak, and skype, but it's really not the same as having friends and romantic relationships IRL. It still feels like missing out.


Would have to concur if it is people who you can't viably see in person. Everyone I talk to is too far away geographically, so none of it matters.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:04 pm

Petrasylvania wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Femoid sounds like a cool alien from an old sci fi novel.
"Hello, we are the Femoids from planet Femo! We come in peace!"

Most InCels treat women like space aliens, so little surprise.

Oh, it gets worse.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:05 pm

Liriena wrote:
Petrasylvania wrote:Most InCels treat women like space aliens, so little surprise.

Oh, it gets worse.

What the fuck

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Postby LimaUniformNovemberAlpha » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:05 pm

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LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:They speak of catcalling, so... yes?

I don't think men who shout "nice tits" at you are looking for a committed relationship.

What about the ones who say "cutie?" You saying no middle schooler was looking for a committed relationship?
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Postby New haven america » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:06 pm

New Emeline wrote:
Liriena wrote:"Naturally psychopathic femoids are literally violating our human rights and destroying our mental and physical health by refusing to have sex with us deformed subhumans."

Umm, what is a femoid???

What they chose to refer to women as.

Oid means like/resembling while Fem means female, so a being like/resembling a female (Like how Android means a being like/resembling a male). What makes it stupid though is that the word they should be using is Gynoid.
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Postby Sicaris » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:06 pm

Though they’re pretty horrifying, the incel community is comedy gold.
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Postby New Emeline » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:06 pm

LimaUniformNovemberAlpha wrote:
New Emeline wrote:I don't think men who shout "nice tits" at you are looking for a committed relationship.

What about the ones who say "cutie?" You saying no middle schooler was looking for a committed relationship?

Middle schoolers aren't the people I usually see catcalling, though

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Postby New Emeline » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:07 pm

Sicaris wrote:Though they’re pretty horrifying, the incel community is comedy gold.

Until they start, you know, killing people.

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Postby Petrasylvania » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
New Emeline wrote:Femoid sounds like a cool alien from an old sci fi novel.
"Hello, we are the Femoids from planet Femo! We come in peace!"

:lol:

Just to inject a bit of levity into this otherwise awful topic, here's Jim Fucking Sterling, Son. :D

You just made the MRAs mad.
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