Mass killer becomes incel hero

[Luminesa]

Uhhhhhhh...

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

DEEP CONCERN.

Guys like boobs and some of us tend to be quite, well, upfront about it.

This is NOT the right way to be UPFRONT about that!

[Galloism]

But he has noticed that he's far more likely to get the job and get a higher salary if he pretends he's married.

The biases people have are real, but I'd think that the employer thinking that he is married, surely isn't the only reason? If they weren't capable of performing the job which they were applying for, then of course they're going to pass you over.

That boss probably subconsciously thinks- "Oh, you're single and don't need to support a family? Then I guess I don't need to pay you as much, being that you're only supporting yourself, hmm?..."

The day someone does an article like this about the male/female wage gap will be a cold day in hell, but observations within are relevant

This translates into a substantial marriage premium for men. On average, young married men, aged 28-30, make $15,900 more than their single peers, and married men aged 44-46 make $18,800 more than their single peers.

That’s even after controlling for differences in education, race, ethnicity, regional unemployment, and scores on a test of general knowledge. What’s more: the marriage premium operates for black, Hispanic, and less-educated men in much the same way as it does for men in general.

For instance, men with a high-school degree or less make at least $17,000 more than their single peers.

....

And yet the research suggests at least part of the marriage premium is causal: one study showed gains at work when men are married compared to when the same men were not married and another study of twins found that married twins earned 26 percent more than their identical twins who were not married.

Some worry that what we’re really saying is that it is wives’ job to make their men better. But the reality is much more complex.

The wage gap between married men and single men might actually be larger than the one between men and women. More specifically:

4. Employers like married men with children. There is evidence that employers prefer and promote men who are married with children, especially compared to their childless male peers and to mothers. Married men are often seen as more responsible and dedicated workers and are rewarded with more opportunities by employers. While illegal bias and long-held stereotypes appear to play a role in this historic preference, it nonetheless helps explain why married family men get paid more.

Employers prefer you have a woman's approval.

[Liriena]

Same here, cat calls and the like are a huge turn-off and make me want to get the hell outta Dodge.

I actually have no idea why people do that. It can't have a very high success rate...

It feels to me that cat-calling, or at least the specific sort of cat-calling most women complain about, is not ultimately about seducing the woman you cat-call, but about reaffirming your sexuality and/or masculinity to yourself and your peers.

[Ostroeuropa]

Celebration of violent action against society for the mistreatment of men is not surprising, it's occurred in many demographics.

Nation of Islam, for instance, likewise has a warped worldview that is highly separate and distinct from say, Martin Luther kings, but both movements draw on the same fundamental problem for their support, one often inspiring violence which is celebrated.

Being an incel isn't a societal mistreatment lmao

That's a superficial view of the problem. Vilification of men and pressures placed on them is the mistreatment. A substantial part of incel discussions revolve around the unfair treatment they receive for not having sex / womens approval.

It goes beyond the mere sex, as both me and Liriena pointed out, they reject prostitution as a solution. It's about social acceptance which they feel women are denying them, and in many ways, as a class, they are.

The vilification of long-time single males, terms like "loser" and "creep" being abused, pressures placed on males to find partners and such, etc.

[Liriena]

Uhhhhhhh...

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

DEEP CONCERN.

Guys like boobs and some of us tend to be quite, well, upfront about it.

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. *nod*

[Liriena]

Celebration of violent action against society for the mistreatment of men is not surprising, it's occurred in many demographics.

Nation of Islam, for instance, likewise has a warped worldview that is highly separate and distinct from say, Martin Luther kings, but both movements draw on the same fundamental problem for their support, one often inspiring violence which is celebrated.

Being an incel isn't a societal mistreatment lmao

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

[Ifreann]

There are worse ways to get a girlfriend. I had a guy come up to me, as me for directions and then outright ask if he could lick my breast, and then after I said no asked if he could be my boyfriend. That...was creepy. But yeah, cat-calls tell me stay away.

That's a weird pick-up line...

I'm seduced just hearing about it.

[Petrasylvania]

Guys like boobs and some of us tend to be quite, well, upfront about it.

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. *nod*

Funny how being able to get a gun on demand lets suicidal men off themselves more effectively.

[Ostroeuropa]

Being an incel isn't a societal mistreatment lmao

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

[New Emeline]

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

Oppressed how?

[Torrocca]

Being an incel isn't a societal mistreatment lmao

That's a superficial view of the problem. Vilification of men and pressures placed on them is the mistreatment. A substantial part of incel discussions revolve around the unfair treatment they receive for not having sex / womens approval.

It goes beyond the mere sex, as both me and Liriena pointed out, they reject prostitution as a solution. It's about social acceptance which they feel women are denying them, and in many ways, as a class, they are.

The vilification of long-time single males, terms like "loser" and "creep" being abused, pressures placed on males to find partners and such, etc.

They're not getting vilified for being long-time single males, they're specifically getting vilified because of how they choose to view women as objects rather than people and use the obvious outcome of that viewpoint to wallow about how women reject them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Being an incel isn't a societal mistreatment lmao

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

Exactly, they're deluded into thinking they're being oppressed by society, but the reality is that they're not at all.

[Petrasylvania]

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

Oppressed how?

Something about being bullied and shamed for not getting any by the same problem crowd that refuse to put out, namely women.

[United Muscovite Nations]

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

Oppressed how?

Extreme social ostracization.

[Washington Resistance Army]

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. *nod*

Funny how being able to get a gun on demand lets suicidal men off themselves more effectively.

You need help.

[Ostroeuropa]

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

Oppressed how?

Well they're men who are long-term single and vilified for it. It's not much different to a group of women with, say, eating disorders generated by social expectation.

This particular section of men tend to split into various camps to deal with the problem and seek help, incel is one of them. Like I said, it's comparable to nation of islam in that their narrative is odd and dysfunctional, but the common experience uniting the group is mistreatment.

[The East Marches II]

This is why we have the 2nd Amendment. *nod*

Funny how being able to get a gun on demand lets suicidal men off themselves more effectively.

Quick better get rid of some freedoms for safety!

[Torrocca]

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

They're not oppressed l m a o

They, believe it or not, don't have rights to a women's body or love. They're where they are because they refuse to adapt and instead choose to act like assholes.

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's a superficial view of the problem. Vilification of men and pressures placed on them is the mistreatment. A substantial part of incel discussions revolve around the unfair treatment they receive for not having sex / womens approval.

It goes beyond the mere sex, as both me and Liriena pointed out, they reject prostitution as a solution. It's about social acceptance which they feel women are denying them, and in many ways, as a class, they are.

The vilification of long-time single males, terms like "loser" and "creep" being abused, pressures placed on males to find partners and such, etc.

They're not getting vilified for being long-time single males, they're specifically getting vilified because of how they choose to view women as objects rather than people and use the obvious outcome of that viewpoint to wallow about how women reject them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

Exactly, they're deluded into thinking they're being oppressed by society, but the reality is that they're not at all.

No, people will mock you and attack you without knowing anything about you other than that you're a lonely virgin. I already outlined my experience with this.

[Petrasylvania]

Funny how being able to get a gun on demand lets suicidal men off themselves more effectively.

Quick better get rid of some freedoms for safety!

Enforced Background Checks Are Mass Confiscation! Soylent Green Is People, It's PEOPLE!!!

[Ostroeuropa]

That's a superficial view of the problem. Vilification of men and pressures placed on them is the mistreatment. A substantial part of incel discussions revolve around the unfair treatment they receive for not having sex / womens approval.

It goes beyond the mere sex, as both me and Liriena pointed out, they reject prostitution as a solution. It's about social acceptance which they feel women are denying them, and in many ways, as a class, they are.

The vilification of long-time single males, terms like "loser" and "creep" being abused, pressures placed on males to find partners and such, etc.

They're not getting vilified for being long-time single males, they're specifically getting vilified because of how they choose to view women as objects rather than people and use the obvious outcome of that viewpoint to wallow about how women reject them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

Exactly, they're deluded into thinking they're being oppressed by society, but the reality is that they're not at all.

People vilify males who are long-term single, and it's something not done to women nearly as much. And I do mean vilified, as in, there's assumed to be character defects explaining it and rationalizing away that they're simply bad people.

In terms of labeling theory, it's also self-fulfilling.

Further, a number of them note misandrous tendencies in women and their preferences which could be argued to be oppressive in nature, while others are less robust in their analysis and just go for stereotypes.

An example being, for instance, wealth being 1000 times more impact for women than it is for men on attractiveness.

[Saiwania]

...Employers prefer you have a woman's approval.

Those are just averages that the articles were discussing. It is not a hard rule strictly speaking. If you have the leverage to be someone important such as being a Dentist, then of course you're able to earn as much as you want; provided you get enough people to pay you a lot. In those circumstances you don't necessarily have to be married.

[The East Marches II]

Quick better get rid of some freedoms for safety!

Enforced Background Checks Are Mass Confiscation! Soylent Green Is People, It's PEOPLE!!!

Walk it back, atta boy Gauth, wouldn't want to get caught out would you? :^)

[Petrasylvania]

Enforced Background Checks Are Mass Confiscation! Soylent Green Is People, It's PEOPLE!!!

Walk it back, atta boy Gauth, wouldn't want to get caught out would you? :^)

Still itching to bait I see.

[Liriena]

I mean, those of us outside of that cesspool can attest to that, but a major part of the incel delusion is precisely the idea that they are an oppressed group. They often compare themselves to victims of genocide even.

They are members of an oppressed group, and a specific subgroup of that group. Like I said, they're comparable to nation of islam in that they have a weird and fucked up narrative but fundamentally draw upon oppression as their reason for being.

I think it'd be fair and accurate to place incels on the same level as many young men who've been recruited by white supremacism and Islamist extremism: their core anxieties are generally genuine (the social isolation, economic stagnation, etc.), but their rationalizations for them are wrong.

[Torrocca]

They're not getting vilified for being long-time single males, they're specifically getting vilified because of how they choose to view women as objects rather than people and use the obvious outcome of that viewpoint to wallow about how women reject them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.



Exactly, they're deluded into thinking they're being oppressed by society, but the reality is that they're not at all.

No, people will mock you and attack you without knowing anything about you other than that you're a lonely virgin. I already outlined my experience with this.

Odd how I've never experienced that. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal.

They're not getting vilified for being long-time single males, they're specifically getting vilified because of how they choose to view women as objects rather than people and use the obvious outcome of that viewpoint to wallow about how women reject them. It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.



Exactly, they're deluded into thinking they're being oppressed by society, but the reality is that they're not at all.

People vilify males who are long-term single, and it's something not done to women nearly as much. And I do mean vilified, as in, there's assumed to be character defects explaining it and rationalizing away that they're simply bad people.

In terms of labeling theory, it's also self-fulfilling.

You keep saying that but produce no evidence to the point. Hmm.