Mass killer becomes incel hero

[Ifreann]

alpha: you are confident and your own man. you do your own thing and have complete confidence in everything you do. you have your self doubts, but you don't let it cloud your judgment and logic. you are well liked by almost everyone, and you just have an easy charm and swagger about your presence. women are drawn to your charisma and presence. you enjoy being social and having lots of people around. you are a natural leader

beta: you are kind of shy and introverted and not very confident in yourself. you are constantly plagued by insecurities and self-doubts and you can never commit to anything in the fear that you will fail in it. you are somewhat liked by people but they tend to look at you rather condescendingly and woman tend to friendzone you. you are nervous around other people and social situations because you're always afraid that people are judging you. you are a born follower

omega: you are the polar opposite of the alpha male, but in a good way. like the alpha male you are confident, intelligent and have a sense of charisma about you, but unlike the alpha male, you are completely your own person. you do not need anyone, and you can even be emotionally distant due to your complete self-possession. you trust few people and foster even fewer intimate relationships. omegas do not care for leadership by others as they are perfectly capable of leading themselves

gamma male: you are sort of the "invisible" guy. there is nothing really spectacular about you. you are not a beta, but neither are you an alpha. your personality and presence usually blends in with the rest of the room and you're just sort of...there. people like you just fine and you usually don't have too much trouble with girls, but all the same, there is nothing particularly memorable or remarkable about you. you are not a born leader nor a inherent follower, although you can take on those tasks depending on the situation

sigma male: you are a manipulative mastermind. you are a spider waiting to lay your trap. you possess a cunning, intuitive mind and can sway people to your will. you don't have the casual swagger of the alpha or the omega but you do have a clever presence about you and people tend to be both wary and respect you for that. you can often be even more powerful than the alpha or the omega male in social situations due to your ability to persuade and manipulate them. you are neither a follower or a leader but rather a wild card

[Socialist Czechia]

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Exactly what I am thinking about 'incel' concept, virgin losers trying to look like oppressed minority. Truly pathetic, omega, nonsense.

[Costa Fierro]

No. It's to explain why certain types of people might be attracted to them given how shitty society is to men.

Compared to how shitty it is to every other gender, men have it easy.

This is wrong.

because 'incel' isn't really a thing. 'omega male', on the other hand, is.

sorry for showing nothing but contempt and disbelief towards them, because i am honest person and call things how they look in my eyes.
and in my eyes, these guys are unbelievably pathetic examples of omegas.

because it's really so easy to blame rest of the world for your miserable life.

This is also wrong.

And again, all of this is wrong.

It's really simple, actually, they will never find girlfriend if they only talk to other omegas on the internet and fap in the basement.

Or when they stubbornly demand 10 point hot chicks, while they are, realistically, able to date Fours or Fives, at best, unable to understand, that not everyone is handsome or rich enough to date actress or pornstar.

As is this.

[Ifreann]

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Exactly what I am thinking about 'incel' concept, virgin losers trying to look like oppressed minority. Truly pathetic, omega, nonsense.

omega: you are the polar opposite of the alpha male, but in a good way. like the alpha male you are confident, intelligent and have a sense of charisma about you, but unlike the alpha male, you are completely your own person. you do not need anyone, and you can even be emotionally distant due to your complete self-possession. you trust few people and foster even fewer intimate relationships. omegas do not care for leadership by others as they are perfectly capable of leading themselves

"Omegas are so pathetic. Also they're confident, intelligent, charismatic, self-possessed, and loads of other good things. Those pathetic, awesome omegas"

[Saiwania]

Let's remember that prositituion merely makes sex for money legal. Nothing is forcing the woman from taking every client. They can still turn down incels.

I find that money talks more than most things. You can definitely almost always find someone willing to do something for you, provided you pay them enough and they're able to. They might charge someone more but yeah, money makes the world go around to such an extent; that nearly everyone at one point or another, is willing to take on a job if they view it as lucrative enough and think it is worth their time.

There are a huge amount of Gold diggers out there as just one example. These people think access to money is more important than the fact that they're now with someone they might rather not be with.

[Socialist Czechia]

"Omegas are so pathetic. Also they're confident, intelligent, charismatic, self-possessed, and loads of other good things. Those pathetic, awesome omegas"

I wanted to show also more positive picture, how the omegas themselves describe omega term

In all cases, though, is it: "I don't give a shit about anything and if I do, it's not my problem, you're the problem"

[Ifreann]

"Omegas are so pathetic. Also they're confident, intelligent, charismatic, self-possessed, and loads of other good things. Those pathetic, awesome omegas"

I wanted to show also more positive picture, how the omegas themselves describe omega term

In all cases, though, is it: "I don't give a shit about anything and if I do, it's not my problem, you're the problem"

You're spouting astrology levels of bullshit.

[Grenartia]

Compared to how shitty it is to every other gender, men have it easy.

This is wrong.

As someone who has actually experienced life from the perspective of more than one gender, you honestly have no fucking clue.

[Socialist Czechia]

I wanted to show also more positive picture, how the omegas themselves describe omega term

In all cases, though, is it: "I don't give a shit about anything and if I do, it's not my problem, you're the problem"

You're spouting astrology levels of bullshit.

Even if I was, why 'incels' are taken seriously, then?

First, I thought it was genuine parody movement, such absurd it seemed. When I found they are super-serious, then I lost only more faith in Mankind.

[Petrasylvania]

It's really simple, actually, they will never find girlfriend if they only talk to other omegas...

You're really gonna try and force this "omega male" thing, aren't you?

Wasn't that a movie about Charlton Heston fighting evil albinos?

[Costa Fierro]

As someone who has actually experienced life from the perspective of more than one gender, you honestly have no fucking clue.

And yet somehow you still continue to be wrong on this subject. Firstly, the idea men have it easy is disregarding the real and quite poisonous negative social expectations and gender roles as well as the legal and judicial disadvantages that men have. Secondly, this idea completely ignores the fact that overall men aren't valued at all in society. Men's value is intrinsically tied to two things: their ability to protect and provide and their sexual success. Women have inherent value because they bear and raise children. Men simply provide women with the resources to do so, which in society's eyes makes them disposable. This is why many men's issues are ignored or overlooked by society.

And this is also partially why incels are created in the first place. You have societal pressure to become successful in a career and sexually, but one may also have a developmental disorder that inhibits or makes said success unattainable. So you repeatedly try only to find the society that tells you to be successful suddenly shunning you, ridiculing you and bullying you for not achieving that success, for not being "normal". A natural response to this is to feel bitterness and resentment towards society and seek out others who have had shared experiences and share similar sentiments.

[Dogmeat]

You're spouting astrology levels of bullshit.

Even if I was, why 'incels' are taken seriously, then?

First, I thought it was genuine parody movement, such absurd it seemed. When I found they are super-serious, then I lost only more faith in Mankind.

By a certain definition of "taken seriously" anyway.

With a couple of possible exceptions, I don't think any of us consider their worldview to be normal, healthy, or right.

[Petrasylvania]

HUFFPO COMING IN HOT.

Urgh, opinion pieces. I hate opinion pieces.

But the OpEd has a point. People who would authoritatively call the attack Terrorism if Minassian was known to be Muslim are instead hesitating or even making apologisms because he's an InCel.

[Ifreann]

You're spouting astrology levels of bullshit.

Even if I was, why 'incels' are taken seriously, then?

Might be something to do with the multiple murders.

First, I thought it was genuine parody movement, such absurd it seemed. When I found they are super-serious, then I lost only more faith in Mankind.

Bully for you.

[Socialist Czechia]

Even if I was, why 'incels' are taken seriously, then?

First, I thought it was genuine parody movement, such absurd it seemed. When I found they are super-serious, then I lost only more faith in Mankind.

By a certain definition of "taken seriously" anyway.

With a couple of possible exceptions, I don't think any of us consider their worldview to be normal, healthy, or right.

Yes, on that, we can all agree.

[Costa Fierro]

Urgh, opinion pieces. I hate opinion pieces.

But the OpEd has a point. People who would authoritatively call the attack Terrorism if Minassian was known to be Muslim are instead hesitating or even making apologisms because he's an InCel.

She doesn't. Terrorism usually has some sort of ideological basis to it, it has to either achieve something or be part of a wider campaign with a stated goal that said campaigns are working towards. Lashing out at society for putting them in the situation that they're in by definition isn't terrorism. The only reason HuffPo claims this is terrorism is because the majority of victims in this instance were women, and therefore any violence against women must therefore be akin to, or directly called, terrorism as long as it furthers the belief that the "manosphere" is nothing more than a collection of alt-right misogynist hate groups. Which couldn't be further from the truth if it tried.

[Saiwania]

Really interesting that this Incel had military service. That is not the kind of background you'd expect. Military training is highly stressful environment to be put into if you aren't naturally a "team player." To adapt, it is on the recruit to think of themselves not as an individual, but as part of a unit among other things.

Apparently he quit after 2 months. Are people really allowed to do this in Canada? For the US military, I've been led to believe that once you've signed a contract and you pass a physical, there ain't no getting out of military service for at least 4 years- unless you're dishonorably discharged or are so incompetent as to get drummed out.

Canadian Armed Forces, Service number: C23249161

[Liriena]

HUFFPO COMING IN HOT.

HuffPo sometimes is good. They aren't Jacobin, of course, but it could be worse.

And they aren't wrong. The incel ideology is extremely misogynistic. We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology, but we can't really paper over the fact that the incel ideology endangers women as much as it endangers men, if not more.

The incel ideology isn't apolitical, and we could consider this sort of incel violence terroristic.

[Albrenia]

I'm not really sure if this counts as 'terrorism' or not.

One could argue that we call it terrorism when some unhinged person who happens to be Muslim runs people over even if they have no direct contact with any terrorist group, so this InCel with his 'ideology' doing the same might fit the term.

On the other hand, as others have said, this wasn't so much a political statement as it was a homocidal temper tantrum.

[Ifreann]

HUFFPO COMING IN HOT.

HuffPo sometimes is good. They aren't Jacobin, of course, but it could be worse.

And they aren't wrong. The incel ideology is extremely misogynistic. We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology, but we can't really paper over the fact that the incel ideology endangers women as much as it endangers men, if not more.

The incel ideology isn't apolitical, and we could consider this sort of incel violence terroristic.

No, you just hate men.

[Ostroeuropa]

HuffPo sometimes is good. They aren't Jacobin, of course, but it could be worse.

And they aren't wrong. The incel ideology is extremely misogynistic. We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology, but we can't really paper over the fact that the incel ideology endangers women as much as it endangers men, if not more.

The incel ideology isn't apolitical, and we could consider this sort of incel violence terroristic.

No, you just hate men.

This, but seriously.

HUFFPO COMING IN HOT.

HuffPo sometimes is good. They aren't Jacobin, of course, but it could be worse.

And they aren't wrong. The incel ideology is extremely misogynistic. We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology, but we can't really paper over the fact that the incel ideology endangers women as much as it endangers men, if not more.

The incel ideology isn't apolitical, and we could consider this sort of incel violence terroristic.

They demand we "Get serious" about online misogyny and call it a danger to women in the same article they pull this:

That digital ecosystem includes “men’s rights activists”

Your positive portrayal of them for this article is therefore pretty revealing.

"They aren't wrong!" in the same sentence as:

We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology,

When they're actively demonizing the group that does so seems entirely insincere.

It appears you default to gynocentric misandry the moment you aren't supervised and forced into being less feministic in your impulses. Sorry to say.

Can you offer an alternate explanation?

Because, no Lir, they are utterly fucking wrong, and being a detriment to the discussion. Feminist lies and insincerity about the MRM aren't apolitical either. Your superficial mere words about "We could and should talk" while supporting articles and publications like this are hollow and worthless, mere face saving attempts for your decision to support an awful movement with an awful worldview. Genuinely disappointed because this is like, the second time you've pushed an article that is a detriment to this discussion due to its gynocentrism, and i'm beginning to wonder if all your posts about being different are merely because you're forced into making them

Like I said.
It appears the second you aren't supervised, you shill gynocentric shit.

[Kubra]

Really interesting that this Incel had military service. That is not the kind of background you'd expect. Military training is highly stressful environment to be put into if you aren't naturally a "team player." To adapt, it is on the recruit to think of themselves not as an individual, but as part of a unit among other things.

Apparently he quit after 2 months. Are people really allowed to do this in Canada? For the US military, I've been led to believe that once you've signed a contract and you pass a physical, there ain't no getting out of military service for at least 4 years- unless you're dishonorably discharged or are so incompetent as to get drummed out.

Canadian Armed Forces, Service number: C23249161

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/a ... -1.4633129
Seems like him asking to leave was a matter of "oh, what a shame, are your bags already packed? good."

[Costa Fierro]

HUFFPO COMING IN HOT.

HuffPo sometimes is good. They aren't Jacobin, of course, but it could be worse.

And they aren't wrong. The incel ideology is extremely misogynistic. We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology, but we can't really paper over the fact that the incel ideology endangers women as much as it endangers men, if not more.

The incel ideology isn't apolitical, and we could consider this sort of incel violence terroristic.

I'd make a response to this but Ostro already made an argument for me, so I'll just concur with him.

However I'd like to point out the interesting moral panic we're experiencing regarding men and masculinity, and the narrative of this panic is being dominated by groups and by media outlets that are going out of their way to portray all men as dangerous, mentally unstable misogynists.

[Saiwania]

Can everyone just imagine how much his Drill Instructor must've chewed him out for being too different and "abnormal" compared to the rest of the men in his barracks? Course, maybe Canada's military is way softer than the US. No idea if their officers are up to R. Lee Ermey's standards or not.

[Ostroeuropa]

HuffPo sometimes is good. They aren't Jacobin, of course, but it could be worse.

And they aren't wrong. The incel ideology is extremely misogynistic. We could and should also talk about the other social, cultural and economic factors at play in the incel ideology, but we can't really paper over the fact that the incel ideology endangers women as much as it endangers men, if not more.

The incel ideology isn't apolitical, and we could consider this sort of incel violence terroristic.

I'd make a response to this but Ostro already made an argument for me, so I'll just concur with him.

However I'd like to point out the interesting moral panic we're experiencing regarding men and masculinity, and the narrative of this panic is being dominated by groups and by media outlets that are going out of their way to portray all men as dangerous, mentally unstable misogynists.

It's due to a particular hate movement being normalized. The media isn't actively seeking out nutcases.
It's going to people who lead organizations or hold positions of authority to talk about these topics, and they are uniformly gynocentric misandrist bigots who conflate their awful behavior and terrible ethics with equality, and have managed to con loads of people into thinking a supremacy movement is an equality movement in spite of all the evidence to the contrary merely because they say so and who wouldn't trust women?

Women lying?
No no no, you see, women aren't people, but superhumans in terms of ethics. So actually being skeptical of the claims a movement of women makes is beyond the pale.

It's about equality, despite that never having been the case in either the past or the present, and merely constantly asserted over and over.

Hey "Woke" feminists, what's a more accurate description;

It's historically an equality movement.
It's historically a movement that conflated the advancement of women with equality.

We'll grab the countdown timer if you need it.