Mass killer becomes incel hero

[Costa Fierro]

Misogyny, male entitlement, toxic masculinity: every one of those things can - and do - kill, sometimes even in little doses.
When you mix all three in large doses, then it's even worse, and mass killings may happen.

Well it's not as bad as I was expecting, but it's still wrong.

[Costa Fierro]

To be fair I really doubt sex has much to do with this, seems to me it's a sense of profound alienation caused by a variety of factors.

Which is what I have been saying this whole fucking time and yet no one fucking noticed.

To a degree I think the rules of dating and relationships has changed dramatically, the onus does remain on males to initiate any advance and often to, say, pay for a first date and etc., - it simply remains somewhat of a fact despite the idea that this no longer is acceptable. And it's true to say a good degree of females do expect the male to pay. In my circle that isn't really the case but then in my circle females can easily afford to pay given many are in banking and other high end jobs.

East Asian cultures (I don't know where specifically you live) are generally far more conservative than Western ones, but what they do share is that men are expected basically to do everything to initiate and maintain relationships.

Yet now you're creating a system by which one is either successful or not. Personally I think much of this pressure is imagined but I can accept that's my point of view. Success is equated with good looks, a degree of wealth, success with the opposite sex..

Pressure to succeed is not imagined. Pressure to succeed does come from societal views but also personal ones, where one's self image is dictated by meeting tangible yet arbitrary standards for success.

Humans by and large credit themselves for success and blame others for failure, so obviously someone to blame is required.. and this turns out to be society as a whole, successful men to a degree but the vitriol seems directed at females.

Women are the primary enforcers of gender roles and expectations. It makes sense that the vitriol and resentment would be against the primary enforcers of gender roles and expectations.

Of course you can create an entire cod-philosophy against feminism as a result but this is surely misdirected. I think the larger question is to consider the dramatic social changes over the past 60 years and how to alleviate social isolation.

Feminism is, by and large, a driver of these social changes over the last 60 years. You can't separate the two. And trying to would be absolving feminism's responsibility for these changes.

[Bakery Hill]

Costa, to be blunt, by all evidence I've seen it'd be still be pretty hard for you to get a root in pre-feminist society.

[Albrenia]

Where did the idea that men don't enforce gender stereotypes on each other if there's no women present come from? How do you explain the behaviour behind bars, in gender-segregated schools and sports teams if that is the case? All three I'd hardly call anything close to 'open-minded' in their approach to such roles.

[New Emeline]

Where did the idea that men don't enforce gender stereotypes on each other if there's no women present come from? How do you explain the behaviour behind bars, in gender-segregated schools and sports teams if that is the case? All three I'd hardly call anything close to 'open-minded' in their approach to such roles.

Yeah, I'm not understanding that either.

[Costa Fierro]

Where did the idea that men don't enforce gender stereotypes on each other if there's no women present come from? How do you explain the behaviour behind bars, in gender-segregated schools and sports teams if that is the case? All three I'd hardly call anything close to 'open-minded' in their approach to such roles.

What part of the word "primary" aren't you lot not capable of understanding? Being the primary enforcer does not mean the only enforcer. It means they engage it that particular behaviour the most.

[Dogmeat]

Where did the idea that men don't enforce gender stereotypes on each other if there's no women present come from? How do you explain the behaviour behind bars, in gender-segregated schools and sports teams if that is the case? All three I'd hardly call anything close to 'open-minded' in their approach to such roles.

I believe it was Gallo who posted a study indicating that women were more active in enforcing gender stereotypes then men. Not, crucially, that men don't enforce gender stereotypes, just that women do it more. I don't feel like sorting though his posts at this hour, but probably you can find it. I couldn't speak to the accuracy of it.

[Albrenia]

Where did the idea that men don't enforce gender stereotypes on each other if there's no women present come from? How do you explain the behaviour behind bars, in gender-segregated schools and sports teams if that is the case? All three I'd hardly call anything close to 'open-minded' in their approach to such roles.

What part of the word "primary" aren't you lot not capable of understanding? Being the primary enforcer does not mean the only enforcer. It means they engage it that particular behaviour the most.

Doesn't that mean that it's not all women's fault then?

[Bombadil]

What part of the word "primary" aren't you lot not capable of understanding? Being the primary enforcer does not mean the only enforcer. It means they engage it that particular behaviour the most.

Doesn't that mean that it's not all women's fault then?

We shall not cease until Costa Fierro comes out of isolation, gets in a relationship, marries and then loses his house in the divorce to complete the circle.

..and the universe will achieve balance.

[Socialist Czechia]

So, when it became cool to be total loser unable to get girl by using whatever you are able to use?
You don't have to be total Alpha with hairy abs, fat bank account and Clooneish charm to get laid. So where's the 'incel' problem?

If they limit their intimacy activities to Pornhub fap around, it's really only their own fault.

[Grenartia]

You're throwing up objections. And that's normal.

Not many people is better than no people and it's your church so I assume you feel at least somewhat comfortable there. Talk to the people there outside of your friends. You already have something in common.

I do, but it still doesn't fill the void of not having a romantic partner.

Then explore *OTHER* interests and find people who are also interested in that. I used to live in Tennessee as well, and it wasn't that hard to find friends or potential romantic partners. If you're that desperate, try one of those online dating things. Just don't be a creep and you should be fine.

Your understanding of the world is certainly unique.

Unique? Hardly. There's even a known song about it.
Money makes the world go round.

Do you think cult leaders believe the shit they spew?

Heaven's Gate. Branch Davidians. People's Temple.

[Saiwania]

You don't have to be total Alpha with hairy abs, fat bank account and Clooneish charm to get laid. So where's the 'incel' problem?

The "Incel" problem exists, in that it really does take all of that for some people, and even with that sort of help; it is no guarantee that they can pull it off. They're exceptionally unlucky or incompetent. I'm incompetent myself, but I don't care too much now. I find plenty of ways to kill time.

[Sovaal]

Misogyny, male entitlement, toxic masculinity: every one of those things can - and do - kill, sometimes even in little doses.
When you mix all three in large doses, then it's even worse, and mass killings may happen.

Nothing special there. People will kill over anything.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I do, but it still doesn't fill the void of not having a romantic partner.

Then explore *OTHER* interests and find people who are also interested in that. I used to live in Tennessee as well, and it wasn't that hard to find friends or potential romantic partners. If you're that desperate, try one of those online dating things. Just don't be a creep and you should be fine.

I've been doing online dating for three years, and I haven't even gotten a single message, either back or from someone.

Also, IIRC, didn't you live in Memphis? There's a lot to do there.

[Grenartia]

Then explore *OTHER* interests and find people who are also interested in that. I used to live in Tennessee as well, and it wasn't that hard to find friends or potential romantic partners. If you're that desperate, try one of those online dating things. Just don't be a creep and you should be fine.

I've been doing online dating for three years, and I haven't even gotten a single message, either back or from someone.

Also, IIRC, didn't you live in Memphis? There's a lot to do there.

Nope. Never lived in Memphis. And my suggestion is to find other things than soviet history and religion to be interested in.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I've been doing online dating for three years, and I haven't even gotten a single message, either back or from someone.

Also, IIRC, didn't you live in Memphis? There's a lot to do there.

Nope. Never lived in Memphis. And my suggestion is to find other things than soviet history and religion to be interested in.

I apologize, I must have confused you with NST.

How do you force yourself to get interested in something? Either a person is interested in something or they aren't, but you can't force yourself to be interested in something that you're not interested in.

[Grenartia]

Nope. Never lived in Memphis. And my suggestion is to find other things than soviet history and religion to be interested in.

I apologize, I must have confused you with NST.

How do you force yourself to get interested in something? Either a person is interested in something or they aren't, but you can't force yourself to be interested in something that you're not interested in.

Explore. You don't have to force anything. Just try new things, and if you like one or more of them, follow that.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I apologize, I must have confused you with NST.

How do you force yourself to get interested in something? Either a person is interested in something or they aren't, but you can't force yourself to be interested in something that you're not interested in.

Explore. You don't have to force anything. Just try new things, and if you like one or more of them, follow that.

People say that, but I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's more like an autistic interest than a simple interest. That's a common experience in incel communities is autistic interests in things most people find trivial, because many have autism or similar disorders.

[Grenartia]

Explore. You don't have to force anything. Just try new things, and if you like one or more of them, follow that.

People say that, but I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's more like an autistic interest than a simple interest. That's a common experience in incel communities is autistic interests in things most people find trivial, because many have autism or similar disorders.

Look, I don't have autism, so I can't tell say anything specific about that, but I do know that there's plenty of people with autism who *don't* have major problems finding partners, and who don't bitch and moan on the internet about "chads and staceys" and how nobody wants to sleep with them, and send threats to people they want to sleep with.

[United Muscovite Nations]

People say that, but I wouldn't even know where to begin. It's more like an autistic interest than a simple interest. That's a common experience in incel communities is autistic interests in things most people find trivial, because many have autism or similar disorders.

Look, I don't have autism, so I can't tell say anything specific about that, but I do know that there's plenty of people with autism who *don't* have major problems finding partners, and who don't bitch and moan on the internet about "chads and staceys" and how nobody wants to sleep with them, and send threats to people they want to sleep with.

But a lot of autistic people and people with other disorders do have serious problems. Everyone with a disability has it affect them in different ways. Some with schizophrenia life fairly normal lives with well-controlled symptoms, but that doesn't change that there are other people whose symptoms are life-changing and debilitating. Another example would be OCD, a lot people with it have really bad compulsions while others, like me, only have obsessions. Likewise, some with autism don't have horrible social debilities.

[Socialist Czechia]

You don't have to be total Alpha with hairy abs, fat bank account and Clooneish charm to get laid. So where's the 'incel' problem?

The "Incel" problem exists, in that it really does take all of that for some people, and even with that sort of help; it is no guarantee that they can pull it off. They're exceptionally unlucky or incompetent. I'm incompetent myself, but I don't care too much now. I find plenty of ways to kill time.

By the way, there is already perfect term for total loser who doesn't want to do anything himself and blame all the world: 'Omega Male'

'Beta Male' is actually succesful man, able to date women, but he must use much more effort/money/nerves to get laid.
'Alpha Male' is 'just' a pinnacle of being Man, a Man's Man.

[Ifreann]

Fun fact: The person who coined the term "alpha male" has retracted the research it was based on.

[Socialist Czechia]

'Incels' is just part of much greater problem in society: people tend these days to blame others: parents, school, siblings, the President...

Guess what 'incels': If you can't get laid, it's still only your problem and I suggest to stop pity yourself or blame others.
Throw into youtself some drinks, watch some stupid date suggestion vids, go with even less attractive pal to have greater confidence, if you really need support.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Was reading an article about Alek Minassian, apparently he was in special education for his whole time in school, had difficulty speaking, and would bite people when irritated, as well as meow like a cat. This sounds like he had some pretty serious troubles with Autism Spectrum Disorder. It obviously doesn't justify what he did, but it does give insight into the frustrations he had with how his life had turned out.

[Dogmeat]

Fun fact: The person who coined the term "alpha male" has retracted the research it was based on.

Yeah, it turns out that wolves behave differently when you cram a bunch of unrelated individuals into a pen then they do in family groups in the wild. Who would have thought?

The question now is: what does modern society more closely resemble?