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Postby The New California Republic » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:10 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:we've reached my limit for tolerance for dishonest debaters. You'd probably default to a claim of impoliteness if we turned the discussion towards why you'd inexplicably object to being considered ill-equipped for intellectual discussion, so maybe pipe up again when we need to know what windows taste like.

You are the one that has persistently lied on this thread, so that's rich coming from you...
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Postby Auralia » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:11 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Auralia wrote:I'm not sure if they absolutely ruled out the possibility of a cure -- it sounded like they thought it was very unlikely, but wanted to keep an open mind..

Seriously Auralia, are you still beating that drum? I thought we'd already established that you cannot cure a brain that has turned to mush.

Our understanding of how the human brain works is profoundly limited. We cannot explain how a child who was born with only 2% of functioning brain tissue and was only expected to live for weeks somehow managed to pull through anyways and is now going to school.

Alfie himself was supposed to die once the UK doctors pulled him off life support. Yet he kept on breathing anyways, and the doctors were forced to give him some oxygen and hydration. You know, it's quite extraordinary how "mush" and "water" can apparently continue to operate and maintain Alfie's cardio-pulmonary system. It has been suggested that the drugs Alfie is on have "suppressed thalamic connections in the brain, thus giving the false impression that much of his brain is gone."

To claim that it is "impossible" for Alfie to recover is just arrogance. Relativity and quantum physics were "impossible" once, too.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:11 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:we've reached my limit for tolerance for dishonest debaters. You'd probably default to a claim of impoliteness if we turned the discussion towards why you'd inexplicably object to being considered ill-equipped for intellectual discussion, so maybe pipe up again when we need to know what windows taste like.

You are the one that has persistently lied on this thread, so that's rich coming from you...

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:15 pm

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Nulla Bellum wrote:
Yes, different countries work differently than the United States. That doesn't remove the judicial branch of the British government from the British government.

Should Alfie's parents defy courts orders, are we going to see judges with robes and wigs come after them with a gavel? Or will law enforcement and other sectors of the British government get involved?

After all of the flailing personal attacks, we've reached my limit for tolerance for dishonest debaters. You'd probably default to a claim of impoliteness if we turned the discussion towards why you'd inexplicably object to being considered ill-equipped for intellectual discussion, so maybe pipe up again when we need to know what windows taste like.

Have a nice day.


So it seems that asking for supporting evidence is dishonest debating.


Do we really need evidence that claiming the judiciary is not a branch of the British government is not blithering idiocy?
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:15 pm

Auralia wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Seriously Auralia, are you still beating that drum? I thought we'd already established that you cannot cure a brain that has turned to mush.

Our understanding of how the human brain works is profoundly limited. We cannot explain how a child who was born with only 2% of functioning brain tissue and was only expected to live for weeks somehow managed to pull through anyways and is now going to school.

Alfie himself was supposed to die once the UK doctors pulled him off life support. Yet he kept on breathing anyways, and the doctors were forced to give him some oxygen and hydration. You know, it's quite extraordinary how "mush" and "water" can apparently continue to operate and maintain Alfie's cardio-pulmonary system. It has been suggested that the drugs Alfie is on have "suppressed thalamic connections in the brain, thus giving the false impression that much of his brain is gone."

To claim that it is "impossible" for Alfie to recover is just arrogance. Relativity and quantum physics were "impossible" once, too.


Do you have anything that doesn't come from one Christian wingnut's blog? Or an explanation for how "suppressed thalamic connections" fools an MRI scan?
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Postby Auralia » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:21 pm

Vassenor wrote:Do you have anything that doesn't come from one Christian wingnut's blog? Or an explanation for how "suppressed thalamic connections" fools an MRI scan?

I think the fact that Alfie continued to breathe despite being taken off ventilation, to the shock of his presiding physicians, is itself sufficient evidence to demonstrate that perhaps they don't fully understand what's going on, and that maybe they should let the Italians take over.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:24 pm

Auralia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Do you have anything that doesn't come from one Christian wingnut's blog? Or an explanation for how "suppressed thalamic connections" fools an MRI scan?

I think the fact that Alfie continued to breathe despite being taken off ventilation, to the shock of his presiding physicians, is itself sufficient evidence to demonstrate that perhaps they don't fully understand what's going on, and that maybe they should let the Italians take over.


Even though the Italians have stated that they would only be offering the same level palliative care that he currently receives and that he would be unlikely to survive the trip.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:25 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Auralia wrote:Our understanding of how the human brain works is profoundly limited. We cannot explain how a child who was born with only 2% of functioning brain tissue and was only expected to live for weeks somehow managed to pull through anyways and is now going to school.

Alfie himself was supposed to die once the UK doctors pulled him off life support. Yet he kept on breathing anyways, and the doctors were forced to give him some oxygen and hydration. You know, it's quite extraordinary how "mush" and "water" can apparently continue to operate and maintain Alfie's cardio-pulmonary system. It has been suggested that the drugs Alfie is on have "suppressed thalamic connections in the brain, thus giving the false impression that much of his brain is gone."

To claim that it is "impossible" for Alfie to recover is just arrogance. Relativity and quantum physics were "impossible" once, too.


Do you have anything that doesn't come from one Christian wingnut's blog? Or an explanation for how "suppressed thalamic connections" fools an MRI scan?


I was wondering when the close-minded "your source refutes muh argument so its biased!" dance would begin.

Does anyone know when Alfie's brain deterioration was first noticed while the doctors were stuck on "bronchitis" for months?
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:25 pm

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Ifreann wrote:The judiciary isn't a branch of the British government. There isn't even such a thing as the British judiciary, the UK has multiple legal systems, each with their own judiciary, in addition to courts with UK-wide jurisdiction.

Different countries work differently from the United States. You should already know this.


Yes, different countries work differently than the United States. That doesn't remove the judicial branch of the British government from the British government.

Should Alfie's parents defy courts orders, are we going to see judges with robes and wigs come after them with a gavel? Or will law enforcement and other sectors of the British government get involved?

After all of the flailing personal attacks, we've reached my limit for tolerance for dishonest debaters. You'd probably default to a claim of impoliteness if we turned the discussion towards why you'd inexplicably object to being considered ill-equipped for intellectual discussion, so maybe pipe up again when we need to know what windows taste like.

Have a nice day.


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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:27 pm

Okay, folks, I think we're done here. This is becoming a circular "You're wrong!" "No, you!" argument. Thread's locked and we'll not look kindly on a continuation.
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