Technically the kid's brain did melt.
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by Skylus » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:16 am
by Salus Maior » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:17 am
The New California Republic wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
And from what I understand, this is impossible to recover from with any kind of modern medicine?
As I have said previously, you can't reconstruct a brain that has been almost totally destroyed. If we could, then people who have been shot in the head or suffered strokes etc would have a near 100% survival rate.
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:18 am
Salus Maior wrote:The New California Republic wrote:As I have said previously, you can't reconstruct a brain that has been almost totally destroyed. If we could, then people who have been shot in the head or suffered strokes etc would have a near 100% survival rate.
That's what I figured.
In which case the hospital, and pretty much everyone involved should just pronounce the kid dead (they already pronounced him brain-dead) and stop with the "best interests" nonsense.
And if the parents want the dead body of their child flown to Italy, why not? He's dead.
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:22 am
Salus Maior wrote:The New California Republic wrote:As I have said previously, you can't reconstruct a brain that has been almost totally destroyed. If we could, then people who have been shot in the head or suffered strokes etc would have a near 100% survival rate.
That's what I figured.
In which case the hospital, and pretty much everyone involved should just pronounce the kid dead (they already pronounced him brain-dead) and stop with the "best interests" nonsense.
And if the parents want the dead body of their child flown to Italy, why not? He's dead.
by Auralia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:27 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:Rome isn't offering "treatment", they're offering palliative care. What he's already getting.
Imperializt Russia wrote:It is therefore determined it is not in his "best interests" to be kept on life support for an arbitrary length of time, as he will not recover.
The New California Republic wrote:Again, how can you "cure" a destroyed brain? It isn't even remotely theoretically possible.
by Salus Maior » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:30 am
Ifreann wrote:Salus Maior wrote:
That's what I figured.
In which case the hospital, and pretty much everyone involved should just pronounce the kid dead (they already pronounced him brain-dead) and stop with the "best interests" nonsense.
It's not nonsense, because he's not dead.And if the parents want the dead body of their child flown to Italy, why not? He's dead.
All deaths need to be certified by a coroner. It isn't known what exactly has caused Alfie's condition, so there would need to be an autopsy.
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:33 am
Imperializt Russia wrote:It is therefore determined it is not in his "best interests" to be kept on life support for an arbitrary length of time, as he will not recover.
It is not in the best interests of the child to die from preventable starvation or asphyxiation rather than the underlying neurological condition. This is tantamount to euthanasia.
The New California Republic wrote:Again, how can you "cure" a destroyed brain? It isn't even remotely theoretically possible.
Alfie's brain is damaged, not destroyed, as demonstrated by the fact that he is alive. I don't understand how you can claim that it is literally impossible to cure brain damage. You have no evidence for that claim beyond "we don't know how to do it".
by Esternial » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:35 am
Purpelia wrote:Ifreann wrote:Alfie can't be saved, but does still feel pain.
Those two are mutually exclusive.
Either the child is brain dead and thus dead and cant feel pain or it is not brain dead and thus can be saved by definition. To allow wiggle room between the two and than have the state as the arbiter of said wiggle room is basically allowing the state to pick and chose who gets to die. Not a good idea, you must agree.
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:35 am
Salus Maior wrote:Ifreann wrote:It's not nonsense, because he's not dead.
All deaths need to be certified by a coroner. It isn't known what exactly has caused Alfie's condition, so there would need to be an autopsy.
Ok, how about this: How can a person whose brain is mostly destroyed beyond a bit that allows him to have some bodily functions have interests?
by Esternial » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:36 am
Ifreann wrote:Whether it can be done is irrelevant, given that we don't know how to do it.
by Salus Maior » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:37 am
by Kvatchdom » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:38 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:39 am
Auralia wrote:The New California Republic wrote:Again, how can you "cure" a destroyed brain? It isn't even remotely theoretically possible.
Alfie's brain is damaged, not destroyed, as demonstrated by the fact that he is alive. I don't understand how you can claim that it is literally impossible to cure certain kinds of brain damage. You have no evidence for that claim beyond "we don't know how to do it".
Auralia wrote:the fact that we don't currently know how to cure him doesn't mean he lacks the inherent capacity for sapience or that he's somehow "less human".
by Ifreann » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:41 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:42 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:43 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:43 am
by Esternial » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:43 am
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:45 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:45 am
by Esternial » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:48 am
Thermodolia wrote:Esternial wrote:Well seizures are just aberrant brain activity and don't always cause pain, even if you've got an intact brain.
All he really has left is the base of the brain and the brain stem. The rest is water like fluid, and his brain stem doesn’t have much longer based on reports
by The New California Republic » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:52 am
by Thermodolia » Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:54 am
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