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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:47 pm

Imagine it's 1977. You are a 51-year-old DIYer from Pasadena, looking for a new coupe utility or compact truck after your 1960 El Camino gave up the ghost. It has to be reliable and offer good practicality. The options are:
- 305 ci Chevrolet El Camino,
- 305 ci GMC Sprint,
- 302 ci Ford Ranchero,
- 2.2 Toyota Truck,
- 2.0 Datsun 620,
- 2.0 Mazda B2000,
- 2.3 Ford Courier,
- 1.8 Chevrolet LUV.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Toyota.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 28, 2018 6:35 am

This is either a bargain of the decade or a scam.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jul 28, 2018 9:56 am

Kinda late, but Sergio Marchionne, the man behind FCA, Fiat's 500 line and Alfa's performance revival is dead.

Mike Manley, the head of FCA North America, Ram and Jeep, will succeed him.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 5:43 am

So yesterday evening I first saw a Peugeot Boxer van fail to stop before an Opel Astra hatchback and rear-end it, then someone called the police, paramedics and fire service, then the paramedics and fire trucks had to get out from a busy, jammed street, and then rainfall flooded the road and the cops had to get the damaged vehicles off the road so they wouldn't get flooded.

It escalated.
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:44 am

Petrolheadia wrote:Kinda late, but Sergio Marchionne, the man behind FCA, Fiat's 500 line and Alfa's performance revival is dead.

Mike Manley, the head of FCA North America, Ram and Jeep, will succeed him.

RIP, but it would be interesting to see how Fiat Chrysler goes now.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 9:01 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Kinda late, but Sergio Marchionne, the man behind FCA, Fiat's 500 line and Alfa's performance revival is dead.

Mike Manley, the head of FCA North America, Ram and Jeep, will succeed him.

RIP, but it would be interesting to see how Fiat Chrysler goes now.

Possible "Hellcatization" and "Renegadization" - creating a stronger brand image and branching out into emerging or high-revenue sectors.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:17 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:RIP, but it would be interesting to see how Fiat Chrysler goes now.

Possible "Hellcatization" and "Renegadization" - creating a stronger brand image and branching out into emerging or high-revenue sectors.

Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 10:38 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Possible "Hellcatization" and "Renegadization" - creating a stronger brand image and branching out into emerging or high-revenue sectors.

Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!

This will be the extension of Marchionne's work.

And as much as Marchionne loved the Viper, it wasn't much of a business case. Performance trims are a better way of appealing to the muscle crowd, as they don't require developing a new car.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:04 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Possible "Hellcatization" and "Renegadization" - creating a stronger brand image and branching out into emerging or high-revenue sectors.

Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!

I heard they are...
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 3:12 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!

I heard they are...

I didn't expect it, considering milking the LX for what it's worth is a more profitable venture. Even after four fullsize sedans, two fullsize wagons, one pony car, five "performance" models, two "really fast" models and one "you have to be crazy to buy it" model.

There still is stuff to make: something above the Demons, Charger Demon, 300 Hellcat & Demon, Challenger convertible, Charger coupe or offroady sedan, wagon, crossover...
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Jul 30, 2018 7:13 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!

I heard they are...

Chrysler is good at making muscle cars as it seems, so why not bring at back.

Here's what's Daimler's been up to.
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Postby Elwher » Mon Jul 30, 2018 8:35 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Possible "Hellcatization" and "Renegadization" - creating a stronger brand image and branching out into emerging or high-revenue sectors.

Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!


Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 1:55 am

Elwher wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!


Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

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It's everything early 00s rolled into one car.

It hasn't really aged well.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:38 am

Elwher wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Bring the Viper back again...third times the charm!


Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

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This time put a Hemi in it.
Petrolheadia wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

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It's everything early 00s rolled into one car.

It hasn't really aged well.

It's the PT Cruiser's angry brother.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:35 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

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This time put a Hemi in it.

https://www.allpar.com/news/2015/09/hem ... 2019-29864

No Hemi passenger cars past 2019. The Challenger is apparently going to be replaced by a Giulia chassis Barracuda.
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Jul 31, 2018 7:56 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:This time put a Hemi in it.

https://www.allpar.com/news/2015/09/hem ... 2019-29864

No Hemi passenger cars past 2019. The Challenger is apparently going to be replaced by a Giulia chassis Barracuda.

I'll wait until Fiat-Chrysler says something first to make a conclusion, but it would make sense they replace their 90s Mercedes derived LX platform with an Alfa Romeo platform to keep it fresh.
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Postby Elwher » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:25 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

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It's everything early 00s rolled into one car.

It hasn't really aged well.


At least it is something different. Too many of today's cars are carbon copies of each other, even across companies.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:37 am

Auzkhia wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

Image

This time put a Hemi in it.
Petrolheadia wrote:It's everything early 00s rolled into one car.

It hasn't really aged well.

It's the PT Cruiser's angry brother.


If the PT Cruiser is the Nickleback of cars, what does that make the Prowler?
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Postby Elwher » Tue Jul 31, 2018 12:22 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:This time put a Hemi in it.

It's the PT Cruiser's angry brother.


If the PT Cruiser is the Nickleback of cars, what does that make the Prowler?


Phish? It's quirky and has a small but devoted cult following.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:32 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Elwher wrote:
Even better, bring back the Prowler!!

Image

This time put a Hemi in it.

Already available with a 5.0 V8 and 300+hp available during the same period.
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Cannot think of a name wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:This time put a Hemi in it.

Already available with a 5.0 V8 and 300+hp available during the same period.
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Makes my supper want to come back.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 31, 2018 2:41 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Already available with a 5.0 V8 and 300+hp available during the same period.
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Makes my supper want to come back.

Some people just don't have the fortitude for awesome.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:28 am

Today we took our Corolla to a rust prevention guy.

He's taking it for next week's weekend.
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Postby Elwher » Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:34 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:This time put a Hemi in it.

Already available with a 5.0 V8 and 300+hp available during the same period.
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'If only they had offered a manual transmission offer.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:44 pm

What books do you think should be on a "gearhead's bookshelf"?

Some of my nominations:

- Bob Lutz - Car Guys vs Bean Counters,

- Jeremy Clarkson - various car review books,

- as for the non-strictly-car book - John Steinbeck's Grapes Of Wrath.
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