The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[Cannot think of a name]

FCA merging with PSA is an odd one. Both groups already had the inefficiencies stemming from inter-brand clashes before and now the situation stands to become even more convoluted.

Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, Dodge...
Citroen, Chrysler, Lancia...
Alfa, DS, Alpine...

Only marques I'd be betting on to survive are Jeep and Ram. There's a good chance one of the PSA brands will go and that most of FCA will be so pigeon-holed into what they can make that they'll effectively be disappeared from the market.

They've already said they don't plan on axing any brands. But they did axe the new 8C and GTV, so meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

[La Xinga]

FCA merging with PSA is an odd one. Both groups already had the inefficiencies stemming from inter-brand clashes before and now the situation stands to become even more convoluted.

Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, Dodge...
Citroen, Chrysler, Lancia...
Alfa, DS, Alpine...

Only marques I'd be betting on to survive are Jeep and Ram. There's a good chance one of the PSA brands will go and that most of FCA will be so pigeon-holed into what they can make that they'll effectively be disappeared from the market.

You are saying Dodge, Jeep, and RAM should vanish?

OCC: I was bored so I made this: viewtopic.php?f=25&t=475124

[Cannot think of a name]

It'll buff out.

[The Two Jerseys]

It'll buff out.

Asking $8500 for that.

[Novus America]

It'll buff out.

For “Restoration”
If you bought a completely mint condition Lotus you could almost restore that car with the parts from it
Easy Restoration job, just replace literally every part and it will be like new!

[Elwher]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/business/ford-mustang-electric-suv.html?te=1&nl=dealbook&emc=edit_dk_20191118?campaign_id=4&instance_id=13929&segment_id=18884&user_id=2ca2f4de1987a79e56ec0e5eacf27ad0&regi_id=6801286120191118

Forget Revelations, this is the sure sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

[Cannot think of a name]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/business/ford-mustang-electric-suv.html?te=1&nl=dealbook&emc=edit_dk_20191118?campaign_id=4&instance_id=13929&segment_id=18884&user_id=2ca2f4de1987a79e56ec0e5eacf27ad0&regi_id=6801286120191118

Forget Revelations, this is the sure sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

What should be the headline is that Ford has come out with a CUV that posts Tesla Model X numbers for half the price of a Tesla.

But instead it's "Why in all the fucks did you guys call that thing a Mustang?"

[Novus America]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/business/ford-mustang-electric-suv.html?te=1&nl=dealbook&emc=edit_dk_20191118?campaign_id=4&instance_id=13929&segment_id=18884&user_id=2ca2f4de1987a79e56ec0e5eacf27ad0&regi_id=6801286120191118

Forget Revelations, this is the sure sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

What should be the headline is that Ford has come out with a CUV that posts Tesla Model X numbers for half the price of a Tesla.

But instead it's "Why in all the fucks did you guys call that thing a Mustang?"

I agree. It actually looks like pretty nice vehicle, but Ford has tons of cool old names they could use for it.

And because they will continue to make the Coupe (Real) Mustang it is just confusing to have two different vehicles with the same name.

[Cannot think of a name]

What should be the headline is that Ford has come out with a CUV that posts Tesla Model X numbers for half the price of a Tesla.

But instead it's "Why in all the fucks did you guys call that thing a Mustang?"

I agree. It actually looks like pretty nice vehicle, but Ford has tons of cool old names they could use for it.

And because they will continue to make the Coupe (Real) Mustang it is just confusing to have two different vehicles with the same name.

I can't remember which article I read about it but one made the prediction that I agree with that in a model year or two we'll see the Mustang part quietly dropped and it will just be the Mach E.

[Elwher]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/17/business/ford-mustang-electric-suv.html?te=1&nl=dealbook&emc=edit_dk_20191118?campaign_id=4&instance_id=13929&segment_id=18884&user_id=2ca2f4de1987a79e56ec0e5eacf27ad0&regi_id=6801286120191118

Forget Revelations, this is the sure sign that the Apocalypse is upon us.

What should be the headline is that Ford has come out with a CUV that posts Tesla Model X numbers for half the price of a Tesla.

But instead it's "Why in all the fucks did you guys call that thing a Mustang?"

The latest entry in the WTF expansion of car lines, I suppose. Almost as bad as the Cadillac pickup truck.

[Cannot think of a name]

What should be the headline is that Ford has come out with a CUV that posts Tesla Model X numbers for half the price of a Tesla.

But instead it's "Why in all the fucks did you guys call that thing a Mustang?"

The latest entry in the WTF expansion of car lines, I suppose. Almost as bad as the Cadillac pickup truck.

Oh man, I keep forgetting that there was a Cadillac version of the Avalanche.

[Elwher]

The latest entry in the WTF expansion of car lines, I suppose. Almost as bad as the Cadillac pickup truck.

Oh man, I keep forgetting that there was a Cadillac version of the Avalanche.

No matter how much I try, I cannot unsee or forget that one.

[Vassenor]

FCA merging with PSA is an odd one. Both groups already had the inefficiencies stemming from inter-brand clashes before and now the situation stands to become even more convoluted.

Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, Dodge...
Citroen, Chrysler, Lancia...
Alfa, DS, Alpine...

Only marques I'd be betting on to survive are Jeep and Ram. There's a good chance one of the PSA brands will go and that most of FCA will be so pigeon-holed into what they can make that they'll effectively be disappeared from the market.

I thought Alpine was Renault-owned.

[Cannot think of a name]

FCA merging with PSA is an odd one. Both groups already had the inefficiencies stemming from inter-brand clashes before and now the situation stands to become even more convoluted.

Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, Dodge...
Citroen, Chrysler, Lancia...
Alfa, DS, Alpine...

Only marques I'd be betting on to survive are Jeep and Ram. There's a good chance one of the PSA brands will go and that most of FCA will be so pigeon-holed into what they can make that they'll effectively be disappeared from the market.

I thought Alpine was Renault-owned.

You can't tell, but this post is actually me backing away from being very, very wrong.

Also, you're right.

[Novus America]

I agree. It actually looks like pretty nice vehicle, but Ford has tons of cool old names they could use for it.

And because they will continue to make the Coupe (Real) Mustang it is just confusing to have two different vehicles with the same name.

I can't remember which article I read about it but one made the prediction that I agree with that in a model year or two we'll see the Mustang part quietly dropped and it will just be the Mach E.

Completely unimportant but I have a cat named Mach, and sometimes call him Machy. The name still sounds silly.

[Special Aromas]

FCA merging with PSA is an odd one. Both groups already had the inefficiencies stemming from inter-brand clashes before and now the situation stands to become even more convoluted.

Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, Dodge...
Citroen, Chrysler, Lancia...
Alfa, DS, Alpine...

Only marques I'd be betting on to survive are Jeep and Ram. There's a good chance one of the PSA brands will go and that most of FCA will be so pigeon-holed into what they can make that they'll effectively be disappeared from the market.

I thought Alpine was Renault-owned.

You're right, I confused an underperforming Italian sports car brand with an underperforming French one.

Abarth, I meant Abarth.

[Cannot think of a name]

When 'because I can' gets waaaaaay out of hand.

[The Two Jerseys]

When 'because I can' gets waaaaaay out of hand.

(Image)

The exhaust note sounds like 'Murica.

[Costa Fierro]

FCA merging with PSA is an odd one. Both groups already had the inefficiencies stemming from inter-brand clashes before and now the situation stands to become even more convoluted.

Opel, Peugeot, Fiat, Dodge...
Citroen, Chrysler, Lancia...
Alfa, DS, Alpine...

Only marques I'd be betting on to survive are Jeep and Ram. There's a good chance one of the PSA brands will go and that most of FCA will be so pigeon-holed into what they can make that they'll effectively be disappeared from the market.

Alpine is owned by Renault and that is reminding me of British Leyland.

They've already said they don't plan on axing any brands. But they did axe the new 8C and GTV, so meeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

I don't see how that would work, Peugeot, Citroen to some extent, and Opel compete for the same market demographics and have overlapping models. And if Opel was doing well, it'd still be part of General Motors. European market conditions are pushing traditional middle range brands out of the market segments they once dominated, either with cheaper brands selling higher spec models for less, or more expensive brands introducing more basic trim levels.

I'd think Chrysler at this stage is being kept around purely because of its historical significance, certainly it's not really relevant in North America anymore.

[Cannot think of a name]

Don't call it boxy.

[West Leas Oros 2]

It's Boxy

Don't call it boxy.

[Cannot think of a name]

Blink and you'll miss it.

[The Two Jerseys]

Don't call it boxy.

The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics.

[Elwher]

Blink and you'll miss it.

It's all the Red Bull they're drinking, I suspect.

[Cannot think of a name]

Oh holy hell. Drop what you're doing and google the Cybertruck. It looks like a Pontiac Aztek had a baby with a VW Thing. It's like he let his seven year old design it with a ruler. It's like they took a rejected piece of concept art from Logan's Run. That is the goofiest fucking thing I've seen presented with a straight face...my fucking god.