The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[Costa Fierro]

Selling the J70 here instead of the J200 would honestly make a lot more sense. They already have the 4Runner and Sequoia to compete with the Tahoe/Suburban/Expedition/etc., they can market the J70 Land Cruiser as a hardcore off-roader, and that leaves the LX in the luxury range.

The J70 is very much a heavy duty utilitarian vehicle, often sold as a single and double cab pickup with a 4.2 litre turbo-diesel V8. They start out here in NZ at $75,780 (US$47,809) for a single cab pickup.

Basically they're the kind of vehicle that you use when a Hilux isn't tough enough. They're often the go-to pickup in Australia because they will just keep going and going.

[Lamborghini Aventador]

on an unrelated note I am back for the year
No w I see the new mid engine corvette and now I am unhappy with the power that it makes because what I have been waiting for is Chevy first real super car and it does not make 2019 or 2020 horsepower 485hp is not enough Press F in the comments is you agree here .
the price though most normal people would say that is a good price for a super car but is is not yet with that power is is a sports car and that is all it can be

[Costa Fierro]

485hp is more than enough for a Corvette. The mid-life crisis males that drive them can't handle any more power, they lack the reflexes and arthritis-less hands to have fun in more powerful cars.

[The Two Jerseys]

485hp is more than enough for a Corvette. The mid-life crisis males that drive them can't handle any more power, they lack the reflexes and arthritis-less hands to have fun in more powerful cars.

Everyone knows that the base model Vette is a boulevard cruiser, the Z06 and ZR1 are the hardcore sports cars.

Besides, if we learned anything from the Vette and Camaro spanking more powerful mid-engine cars on the track, it's that the GM engineers know how to set up a chassis.

[Cannot think of a name]

485hp is more than enough for a Corvette. The mid-life crisis males that drive them can't handle any more power, they lack the reflexes and arthritis-less hands to have fun in more powerful cars.

Everyone knows that the base model Vette is a boulevard cruiser, the Z06 and ZR1 are the hardcore sports cars.

Patrick Bedard on the evolution of the 'Vette during his disappointment at the 305 California: "Ten years ago the typical Corvette spent Saturday morning with its hood up, the engine getting a fine tune for the street racing that would inevitably follow. Now the typical Corvette rolls up at the country club on Saturday morning, driven by a guy with white shoes and a while belt. "

Besides, if we learned anything from the Vette and Camaro spanking more powerful mid-engine cars on the track, it's that the GM engineers know how to set up a chassis.

Their race engineers certainly do. Not a lot of customer GM privateers on podiums the way for a minute at least there were privateer Vipers (I talked to a team during an FIA stop at Laguna Seca who, at the time, felt that if you wanted to win and not spend all the money you bought a Viper. This was during the time of Jake Skull and the dominant factory Corvette effort that eventually edged out everyone else until they were literally the last man standing, their class being just them. That Viper thing did not last at all of course. Meanwhile, the 'boring white Porsche' as Paul Truswell calls it continues to be a staple of endurance racing.) I haven't tracked the Camaros in the Grand Am/World Challenge series in the last few years. I did like seeing them and the Mustangs and the Challengers out there like it was Trans Am's glory days, though.

[Vassenor]

Bad news of the worst sort from the F2 World Championship.

Statement: Incident during FIA Formula 2 Feature Race, Spa Francorchamps

The Federation Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA) regrets to advise that a serious incident involving cars #12, #19 and #20 occurred at 17:07 on 31/08/19 as a part of the FIA Formula 2 Feature Race at Spa-Francorchamps, round 17 of the season.

The scene was immediately attended by emergency and medical crews, and all drivers were taken to the medical centre.

As a result of the incident, the FIA regrets to inform that the driver of car #19, Anthoine Hubert (FRA), succumbed to his injuries, and passed away at 18:35.

The driver of car #12, Juan-Manuel Correa (USA), is in a stable condition and is being treated at the CHU Liège hospital. More information on his condition will be provided when it becomes available.

The driver of car #20 Giuliano Alesi (FRA) was checked and declared fit at the medical centre.

The FIA is providing support to the event organisers and the relevant authorities, and has commenced an investigation into the incident.

[Petrolheadia]

Selling the J70 here instead of the J200 would honestly make a lot more sense. They already have the 4Runner and Sequoia to compete with the Tahoe/Suburban/Expedition/etc., they can market the J70 Land Cruiser as a hardcore off-roader, and that leaves the LX in the luxury range.

The J70 is very much a heavy duty utilitarian vehicle, often sold as a single and double cab pickup with a 4.2 litre turbo-diesel V8. They start out here in NZ at $75,780 (US$47,809) for a single cab pickup.

Basically they're the kind of vehicle that you use when a Hilux isn't tough enough. They're often the go-to pickup in Australia because they will just keep going and going.

Indeed. They're too utilitarian for American private customers, and too light-duty for American fleet truck buyers.

[Lamborghini Aventador]

485hp is more than enough for a Corvette. The mid-life crisis males that drive them can't handle any more power, they lack the reflexes and arthritis-less hands to have fun in more powerful cars.

yes you are it is just the windows program without the pro it stinks

[Cannot think of a name]

485hp is more than enough for a Corvette. The mid-life crisis males that drive them can't handle any more power, they lack the reflexes and arthritis-less hands to have fun in more powerful cars.

yes you are it is just the windows program without the pro it stinks

God I'm going to regret this...I already regret this but whatever...


What the fuck are you comparing the Corvette to? What sort of weird loft expectations do you have? The base model for the C8 is going to be just under $60k. And for that you get a mid-engine proper sports car with just a tick under 500hp.

Where else can you get 500hp mounted in the middle?

Well, an Acura NSX will give you north of 500 with two less cylinders but two more turbos, but for that you have to fork over an extra $100k. Slightly less that 100 hp more and all wheel drive comes at the cost of an extra Corvette and a used Jaguar F-Type if you're feeling fancy.

Or you can grab an Audi R8 with two extra cylinders good for an extra 50 or so hp and all wheel drive for the bargain price of just two Corvettes and some change.

Maybe you want to keep things American and grab up one of the few Ford GTs with 647hp. But for that extra 162hp you'll need a cool half a million dollars. Which when converted to Corvette currency translates to a little over eight Corvettes.

Maybe you're looking towards the perennial mid-engined Ferrari like the F8 Tributo with an admittedly impressive 710hp for the price of four base model Corvettes.

Or maybe you want some one to one, as Corvette fans love to point out where you get the same amount of horsepower as a 911S, if Motor Trend's dyno readings turn out to be accurate, which can be had for just under two Corvettes.

And, as already pointed out and went whizzing past you, this is the base model 'Vette. There are always an alphabet of different Corvette editions that carry way...way more horsepower. Like when Chevy was keen to point out that when they wanted to take their 700+ hp Z06 racing they had to actually detune the engine so that it would meet parity with the other cars.

AAAaaaalllll of which to say is some tits need calming, the base model Corvette puts out horsepower on par with its competition for way, way less which has always been the Corvette's argument--that it provides the most bang for the buck. Because if pattern holds, that 700 hp Corvette won't cost that much more (if at all) than that Porsche 911S.

EDIT: I guess it's worth pointing out that you can get north of 700hp in a Hellcat for roughly the same price and with that you get two more doors and a backseat but lose the sports car set up. Though as an automotive journalist friend of my brother's once candidly pointed out, the Hellcat tends to be a $40k motor in a $30k car. You can also get a top of the line Camaro with 650hp for the same price, but again as a front engine car with a back seat. Both cars built in the muscle car tradition of big power in a three box car, usually more at home on the drag strip than a proper race track (is that shade thrown at drag racing? Yes it is.) with some exceptions like the Boss 302 or certain Camaro trims.

[Lamborghini Aventador]

I am comparing it to being a Lamborghini killer

[Cannot think of a name]

I am comparing it to being a huracon killer

Well, that's just stupid.

[Lamborghini Aventador]

Look I have been waiting for a Lamborghini killer for years and it could be here but they did not even try taking advantage of it so really is it that stupid

[Cannot think of a name]

Look I have been waiting for a Lamborghini killer for years and it could be here but they did not even try taking advantage of it so really is it that stupid

1. There are lots of Lamborghini 'killers'. What have you been waiting for, exactly?
2. The $60,000 Corvette was never meant to be anything of the sort except to be an American sports car, so that they didn't try and reach your arbitrary goal means nothing. The fact that it compares favorably to the other cars in its class while coming in at a much lower price is exactly what the Corvette is all about.
3. As it is, the base model Corvette comes in at a PT Cruisers worth of difference in horse power at less than a quarter of the price while being drivable on regular ass roads on a daily basis without spending $2k a year in scheduled maintenance costs. By some standards that kills the shit out of a fragile ass garage queen Lamborghini.
4. Do you not understand what the words 'base model' mean?

[Lamborghini Aventador]

Look I have been waiting for a Lamborghini killer for years and it could be here but they did not even try taking advantage of it so really is it that stupid

1. There are lots of Lamborghini 'killers'. What have you been waiting for, exactly?
2. The $60,000 Corvette was never meant to be anything of the sort except to be an American sports car, so that they didn't try and reach your arbitrary goal means nothing. The fact that it compares favorably to the other cars in its class while coming in at a much lower price is exactly what the Corvette is all about.
3. As it is, the base model Corvette comes in at a PT Cruisers worth of difference in horse power at less than a quarter of the price while being drivable on regular ass roads on a daily basis without spending $2k a year in scheduled maintenance costs. By some standards that kills the shit out of a fragile ass garage queen Lamborghini.
4. Do you not understand what the words 'base model' mean?

base models you know what they are really the base modeled of a super car should be pushing at least 500 no the the difference is big when we put it into actual terms 485hp compared to 500 is a lot different lap times on track days

[Novus America]

I am comparing it to being a Lamborghini killer

Of course the BASE model will not immediately “kill” cars costing 5 to ten times as much.
Although it can actually keep up with many as demonstrated.

And a car that does not require as much specialized maintenance and high repair and parts costs.

You do not seem to understand the way the Corvette is designed and marketed at all.
Despite it being explained to you.

The BASE model is designed to be a sports car AFFORDABLE to the middle class, it is not supposed to be a quarter million dollar super car.

But the Z06 and ZR1 models while costing substantially more than the base model (but still MUCH less than a Lambo) will probably kick the Lambo’s ass.

[Novus America]

1. There are lots of Lamborghini 'killers'. What have you been waiting for, exactly?
2. The $60,000 Corvette was never meant to be anything of the sort except to be an American sports car, so that they didn't try and reach your arbitrary goal means nothing. The fact that it compares favorably to the other cars in its class while coming in at a much lower price is exactly what the Corvette is all about.
3. As it is, the base model Corvette comes in at a PT Cruisers worth of difference in horse power at less than a quarter of the price while being drivable on regular ass roads on a daily basis without spending $2k a year in scheduled maintenance costs. By some standards that kills the shit out of a fragile ass garage queen Lamborghini.
4. Do you not understand what the words 'base model' mean?

base models you know what they are really the base modeled of a super car should be pushing at least 500 no the the difference is big when we put it into actual terms 485hp compared to 500 is a lot different lap times on track days

The BASE model is more a fun and affordable sports car, it is not a race car.
Yes there will be models with much more than 500 hp but they will cost more.

That extra power comes at cost, a cost not all buyers are willing or able to afford.

The Corvette is designed to be accessible to a much wider market.

[Cannot think of a name]

1. There are lots of Lamborghini 'killers'. What have you been waiting for, exactly?
2. The $60,000 Corvette was never meant to be anything of the sort except to be an American sports car, so that they didn't try and reach your arbitrary goal means nothing. The fact that it compares favorably to the other cars in its class while coming in at a much lower price is exactly what the Corvette is all about.
3. As it is, the base model Corvette comes in at a PT Cruisers worth of difference in horse power at less than a quarter of the price while being drivable on regular ass roads on a daily basis without spending $2k a year in scheduled maintenance costs. By some standards that kills the shit out of a fragile ass garage queen Lamborghini.
4. Do you not understand what the words 'base model' mean?

base models you know what they are really the base modeled of a super car should be pushing at least 500 no the the difference is big when we put it into actual terms 485hp compared to 500 is a lot different lap times on track days

I knew I'd regret this.

We really can't have made this any clearer to you. I'm out.

[The Two Jerseys]

Acura NSX

Acura: "Meet the next-generation 2020 Acura NSX – the only supercar designed, developed and manufactured in America."

Chevy: *blows doors off NSX in a Camaro*

[Costa Fierro]

The base model is $60k because at the end of the day, it's still made by GM.

[Cannot think of a name]

Acura NSX

Acura: "Meet the next-generation 2020 Acura NSX – the only supercar designed, developed and manufactured in America."

Chevy: *blows doors off NSX in a Camaro*

The ZL-1 managed a 7:16 at Nurburgring...damn. I did not know that. I mean, I fell off the worship of Nurburging lap times a while ago once it became a cult and not a novelty but still. Jesus.

[The Two Jerseys]

Acura: "Meet the next-generation 2020 Acura NSX – the only supercar designed, developed and manufactured in America."

Chevy: *blows doors off NSX in a Camaro*

The ZL-1 managed a 7:16 at Nurburgring...damn. I did not know that. I mean, I fell off the worship of Nurburging lap times a while ago once it became a cult and not a novelty but still. Jesus.

I was catching up on my R&T issues over the weekend, the other month they had Jim Mero talking about how every time GM tried to get an official Ring lap time for the C7 something would go wrong. Long story short, the ZR1 went into engine-protection mode for its hot lap and was down to 625 hp, yet it still ran a 7:06.

[Cannot think of a name]

I often find myself wishing that the Corvette looked less like it was designed by a twelve year old and much prefer the older looks, but I'm not sure this works.

Especially since it looks less like a C1 and more like a Panoz Esperante with a cooler looking grill.

[Novus America]

I often find myself wishing that the Corvette looked less like it was designed by a twelve year old and much prefer the older looks, but I'm not sure this works.

Especially since it looks less like a C1 and more like a Panoz Esperante with a cooler looking grill.

Cool idea, but not a big fan of that execution of it.
Also I think it would be better to go with the 58 to 61 look, which would better fit the newer cars. Or go with the C2.

Although the back looks good, the front is not forward leaning and aggressive enough looking.
The headlights are tilted way too far backwards for example.

[The Two Jerseys]

I often find myself wishing that the Corvette looked less like it was designed by a twelve year old and much prefer the older looks, but I'm not sure this works.

Especially since it looks less like a C1 and more like a Panoz Esperante with a cooler looking grill.

All that chrome and they still have the black plastic trim around that intake behind the door? Lame.

Also, I have to question the logic of burying the backup lights that deep in the fake exhaust tips.

[Cannot think of a name]

I often find myself wishing that the Corvette looked less like it was designed by a twelve year old and much prefer the older looks, but I'm not sure this works.

Especially since it looks less like a C1 and more like a Panoz Esperante with a cooler looking grill.

All that chrome and they still have the black plastic trim around that intake behind the door? Lame.

Also, I have to question the logic of burying the backup lights that deep in the fake exhaust tips.

Hadn't noticed the intake thing and now that you've pointed it out it's all I can see.

The reverse lights reminds me of the time my ex discovered my Bus doesn't have any while we were talking to another Bus owner. "How do people know you're backing up?" "It starts moving backwards."