The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[The Two Jerseys]

What do you think of Tesla?

A badly run company with a founder who's even worse about writing checks the business can't cash than Peter Molyneux was.

Don't forget the shitty build quality and a system seemingly designed to ensure that collision damage never gets fixed.

[Petrolheadia]

They were exported. Commodores were rebadged and sold in the UK, the US, the Middle East, and Brazil.



I prefer the word "safe". That is what the AU Falcon looked like, which was the beginning of the end for the Falcon in Australia/NZ.

[Novus America]

What do you think of Tesla?

A victim of Silcon Valley’s founder cult.
The person who comes up with the idea for a product is not necessarily the best to actually manage the company long term.
Musk, Zuckerberg and the like need to stop trying to be CEOs.
Entrepreneurs are not the best to run large companies.

Musk needs to be replaced by someone who has actual experience turning a car company around.

[Petrolheadia]

What do you think of Tesla?

A victim of Silcon Valley’s founder cult.
The person who comes up with the idea for a product is not necessarily the best to actually manage the company long term.
Musk, Zuckerberg and the like need to stop trying to be CEOs.
Entrepreneurs are not the best to run large companies.

Musk needs to be replaced by someone who has actual experience turning a car company around.

The ordinary businessmen often tend to forget that a carmaker needs some sort of image to be successful. An example is how Marchionne managed to turn FCA around by focusing Dodge on affordable, flashy performance, Alfa on sporty stylish cars, Jeep on badass-looking light trucks, etc...

Musk's vision at least helps that.

[Novus America]

A victim of Silcon Valley’s founder cult.
The person who comes up with the idea for a product is not necessarily the best to actually manage the company long term.
Musk, Zuckerberg and the like need to stop trying to be CEOs.
Entrepreneurs are not the best to run large companies.

Musk needs to be replaced by someone who has actual experience turning a car company around.

The ordinary businessmen often tend to forget that a carmaker needs some sort of image to be successful. An example is how Marchionne managed to turn FCA around by focusing Dodge on affordable, flashy performance, Alfa on sporty stylish cars, Jeep on badass-looking light trucks, etc...

Musk's vision at least helps that.

Nothing wrong with his vision. But he could do that as chairman.
The CEO needs more than just vision.
The CEO needs the organizational management skills to run the companies day to day operations, not just set forth a vision.
He can certainly hire someone who shares his vision for the role, but someone more knowledgeable about the specific problems involved with running a car company.

[Petrolheadia]

Morgan is planning an Aston Martin Vantage competitor.

Apparently, they're dithing wood and only leaving retro in the design.

[Elwher]

A victim of Silcon Valley’s founder cult.
The person who comes up with the idea for a product is not necessarily the best to actually manage the company long term.
Musk, Zuckerberg and the like need to stop trying to be CEOs.
Entrepreneurs are not the best to run large companies.

Musk needs to be replaced by someone who has actual experience turning a car company around.

The ordinary businessmen often tend to forget that a carmaker needs some sort of image to be successful. An example is how Marchionne managed to turn FCA around by focusing Dodge on affordable, flashy performance, Alfa on sporty stylish cars, Jeep on badass-looking light trucks, etc...

Musk's vision at least helps that.

They need more than a vision, elsewise the DeLorean would have been popular outside of the movies. They also need a workable car, and one that is deliverable on time.

[Costa Fierro]

They were exported. Commodores were rebadged and sold in the UK, the US, the Middle East, and Brazil.



I prefer the word "safe". That is what the AU Falcon looked like, which was the beginning of the end for the Falcon in Australia/NZ.

Still prettier than a contemporary Taurus . .

I wouldn't be so sure about that, neither were particularly appetizing. And what they replaced the AU with ended up becoming just an anonymous blob.

The ordinary businessmen often tend to forget that a carmaker needs some sort of image to be successful. An example is how Marchionne managed to turn FCA around by focusing Dodge on affordable, flashy performance, Alfa on sporty stylish cars, Jeep on badass-looking light trucks, etc...

Musk's vision at least helps that.

Tesla already has the image of being cutting edge barbecues on wheels.

[Cannot think of a name]

You know, for as unloved as this car was when it came out and the derision it gets, for whatever reason that retroish Thunderbird has been holding at around that price for a while.

[Petrolheadia]

Staying in the topic of 50s retro, my aunt got herself a car - a 2015 Fiat 500. A greenish 1.4 automatic hatchback, to be exact. It's a 1957 special edition model, and has alloys made to look like old hubcapped steelies.

Went for a ride in it with my uncle, and was surprised by the legroom (though that's thanks to the high seating position) and how lively it was on the road in sport mode.

[Auzkhia]

r/cars, basically

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Staying in the topic of 50s retro, my aunt got herself a car - a 2015 Fiat 500. A greenish 1.4 automatic hatchback, to be exact. It's a 1957 special edition model, and has alloys made to look like old hubcapped steelies.

Went for a ride in it with my uncle, and was surprised by the legroom (though that's thanks to the high seating position) and how lively it was on the road in sport mode.

Neat, I always liked the Fiat 500.

Along with the A5 VW Beetle, I saw a brown convertible today with retro looking hubcap style wheels.

[Special Aromas]

r/cars, basically

I see where they're coming from, Toyota has been giving them blue balls for the last six years about a new Supra only to reveal it's just a Z4 with mostly the same performance of the A80 that came out 25 years ago.

[Auzkhia]

r/cars, basically

I see where they're coming from, Toyota has been giving them blue balls for the last six years about a new Supra only to reveal it's just a Z4 with mostly the same performance of the A80 that came out 25 years ago.

A base Supra was no better than a 5.0 Mustang. I get it with the Turbo, but I think it's almost like a Delorean, but without the cocaine fueled executive, the movie overhyped it.

Classic Cars are better as memories.

[Costa Fierro]

The comments are a goldmine.

[Petrolheadia]

r/cars, basically

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Staying in the topic of 50s retro, my aunt got herself a car - a 2015 Fiat 500. A greenish 1.4 automatic hatchback, to be exact. It's a 1957 special edition model, and has alloys made to look like old hubcapped steelies.

Went for a ride in it with my uncle, and was surprised by the legroom (though that's thanks to the high seating position) and how lively it was on the road in sport mode.

Neat, I always liked the Fiat 500.

Along with the A5 VW Beetle, I saw a brown convertible today with retro looking hubcap style wheels.

I don't like it. It looks a bit too cute.

I prefer the more serious-looking small cars, the ones that look like "I'm a small car, but I'm ballin' with the big ones" - Peugeot 108, Mini, etc.

[Vassenor]

r/cars, basically

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Staying in the topic of 50s retro, my aunt got herself a car - a 2015 Fiat 500. A greenish 1.4 automatic hatchback, to be exact. It's a 1957 special edition model, and has alloys made to look like old hubcapped steelies.

Went for a ride in it with my uncle, and was surprised by the legroom (though that's thanks to the high seating position) and how lively it was on the road in sport mode.

Neat, I always liked the Fiat 500.

Along with the A5 VW Beetle, I saw a brown convertible today with retro looking hubcap style wheels.

I kind of want a 500, but I don't think it has enough luggage space for my needs.

[Novus America]

r/cars, basically

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Neat, I always liked the Fiat 500.

Along with the A5 VW Beetle, I saw a brown convertible today with retro looking hubcap style wheels.

I don't like it. It looks a bit too cute.

I prefer the more serious-looking small cars, the ones that look like "I'm a small car, but I'm ballin' with the big ones" - Peugeot 108, Mini, etc.

I agree except I generally dislike small cars.
But yeah the Fiat is definitely too cute.

Though the car someone wants reflects certain aspects of their personality.

[Auzkhia]

I don't like it. It looks a bit too cute.

I prefer the more serious-looking small cars, the ones that look like "I'm a small car, but I'm ballin' with the big ones" - Peugeot 108, Mini, etc.

I agree except I generally dislike small cars.
But yeah the Fiat is definitely too cute.

Though the car someone wants reflects certain aspects of their personality.

That's the reason I like them.

Sure, I could get a Golf, if they still make 2 door hatches. But the Beetle looks better, it's sweet!

[Petrolheadia]

I agree except I generally dislike small cars.
But yeah the Fiat is definitely too cute.

Though the car someone wants reflects certain aspects of their personality.

That's the reason I like them.

Sure, I could get a Golf, if they still make 2 door hatches. But the Beetle looks better, it's sweet!

New Beetle/Fiat 500/other sweet cars - official cars of smooth jazz, inspirational posters, Yankee Candle and Desiderata.

I'm wondering what would reflect my personality.
Does anyone know the official car of 70s classic rock, folded-out futons, procrastination and junk food?

[Novus America]

I agree except I generally dislike small cars.
But yeah the Fiat is definitely too cute.

Though the car someone wants reflects certain aspects of their personality.

That's the reason I like them.

Sure, I could get a Golf, if they still make 2 door hatches. But the Beetle looks better, it's sweet!

Fair enough. But I am not a sweet person.
So would never drive a Fiat. Though I barely even see them here anymore.
Fiat had an aggressive advertising campaign but they never really caught on.

Americans are not a sweet people for the most part.

[Petrolheadia]

That's the reason I like them.

Sure, I could get a Golf, if they still make 2 door hatches. But the Beetle looks better, it's sweet!

Fair enough. But I am not a sweet person.
So would never drive a Fiat. Though I barely even see them here anymore.
Fiat had an aggressive advertising campaign but they never really caught on.

Americans are not a sweet people for the most part.

Sex sells, I guess?

[Novus America]

Fair enough. But I am not a sweet person.
So would never drive a Fiat. Though I barely even see them here anymore.
Fiat had an aggressive advertising campaign but they never really caught on.

Americans are not a sweet people for the most part.

Sex sells, I guess?

Except it did not. Despite the racey ads they have not sold well here.
It is hard to convince Americans a small hatch back is sexy.

The Escalade is American, loud, proud and large, rolling V8 powered and covered in chrome.

The Prius at least appeals to the green types.

I am not sure really what market they are going for with the Fiat 500 in the US.

[Petrolheadia]

Sex sells, I guess?

Except it did not. Despite the racey ads they have not sold well here.
It is hard to convince Americans a small hatch back is sexy.

The Escalade is American, loud, proud and large, rolling V8 powered and covered in chrome.

The Prius at least appeals to the green types.

I am not sure really what market they are going for with the Fiat 500 in the US.

Small car enthusiasts and cute girls/women, I guess.

My aunt bought it partially for the looks, and partially for the automatic. It is an US import.

[Auzkhia]

Sex sells, I guess?

Except it did not. Despite the racey ads they have not sold well here.
It is hard to convince Americans a small hatch back is sexy.

The Escalade is American, loud, proud and large, rolling V8 powered and covered in chrome.

The Prius at least appeals to the green types.

I am not sure really what market they are going for with the Fiat 500 in the US.

Yuppies that live in gentrified city neighborhoods, like Brooklyn? Based on their backdrops.

That's the reason I like them.

Sure, I could get a Golf, if they still make 2 door hatches. But the Beetle looks better, it's sweet!

New Beetle/Fiat 500/other sweet cars - official cars of smooth jazz, inspirational posters, Yankee Candle and Desiderata.

I'm wondering what would reflect my personality.
Does anyone know the official car of 70s classic rock, folded-out futons, procrastination and junk food?

1979 C3 Corvette

New? GMC Sierra or Chevrolet Silverado.

[Novus America]

Except it did not. Despite the racey ads they have not sold well here.
It is hard to convince Americans a small hatch back is sexy.

The Escalade is American, loud, proud and large, rolling V8 powered and covered in chrome.

The Prius at least appeals to the green types.

I am not sure really what market they are going for with the Fiat 500 in the US.

Small car enthusiasts and cute girls, I guess.

I guess, though again most Americans are really not a cute people.
Cute girls are more likely to drive a crossover.
Which I guess are cute compared to a Silverado or Escalade.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/247wallst. ... brand/amp/

Fiat is on the verge of being driven out of the US market.
They sold less than 5,000 base 500s this year.
Their sales numbers are a joke.

As far as small car enthusiasts, there are better made, better performing cars out there.
Though small cars are a dying market here.