The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[Petrolheadia]

That's a nice price.

£200 for a rustbucket in non-running condition?

Get to know old BL iron (with a hint of aluminium).

[Petrolheadia]

I'm feeling the "developed gearhead" phase.

Cars I remember as used cheap trash are now classics, what I thought was hot shit is now just seen as shit, and I'm having thoughts like "wait, the RR Velar has been with us for a year now?"

Looking at Elwher, I wonder how "seasoned gearhead" feels like.

[Elwher]

I'm feeling the "developed gearhead" phase.

Cars I remember as used cheap trash are now classics, what I thought was hot shit is now just seen as shit, and I'm having thoughts like "wait, the RR Velar has been with us for a year now?"

Looking at Elwher, I wonder how "seasoned gearhead" feels like.

Car reviews are just one man's opinion, cars in video games are fun to look at but otherwise meaningless, and unless you have driven a particular car you really have no idea if it is shit or not. That pretty well sums it up.

[Auzkhia]

Spoiled brat or world's greatest troll?

TL;DR a 21 year old community college student thinks their 2011 Toyota Corolla is too bland and won't get them laid, and wants to save $6k for a sports car to rival those Chads in Mustangs or WRX.

If it's a troll, well played. If it's real, this guy should know that if your chances of getting laid depends on a car, it was never on the table.

I'd say it's probably fake and someone trying to be funny and lot of people are falling for it since you could find a Miata or SN95 Mustang for that price no problem.

[The Two Jerseys]

Spoiled brat or world's greatest troll?

TL;DR a 21 year old community college student thinks their 2011 Toyota Corolla is too bland and won't get them laid, and wants to save $6k for a sports car to rival those Chads in Mustangs or WRX.

If it's a troll, well played. If it's real, this guy should know that if your chances of getting laid depends on a car, it was never on the table.

I'd say it's probably fake and someone trying to be funny and lot of people are falling for it since you could find a Miata or SN95 Mustang for that price no problem.

He should learn how to do a handbrake turn. *nods*

[Vassenor]

OK, I need to stop trying to make sense of insurance groups. Especially when cars like the C1/108 which are meant to be cheap to insure are up in group six (or higher depending on the specific model).

[Auzkhia]

Old person voice: "Remembering the good ol' days, back when the War was on."

Compare it to this. See how cars evolved in the next 70 years.

[NeoOasis]

Old person voice: "Remembering the good ol' days, back when the War was on."

Compare it to this. See how cars evolved in the next 70 years.

What's amusing is not much changed between 1942 and 1972. Body on frame, carbs, bench seats. Yet, the difference between 1990 and now is pretty massive. Introduction of direct injection, increasingly small engines with even more power, semi-autonomous driving capabilities for even the entry level line-ups.

Advances in tech are pretty amazing.

[Auzkhia]

Old person voice: "Remembering the good ol' days, back when the War was on."

Compare it to this. See how cars evolved in the next 70 years.

What's amusing is not much changed between 1942 and 1972. Body on frame, carbs, bench seats. Yet, the difference between 1990 and now is pretty massive. Introduction of direct injection, increasingly small engines with even more power, semi-autonomous driving capabilities for even the entry level line-ups.

Advances in tech are pretty amazing.

1977 Ford LTD, if you can look in the background, there's what looks like a 55 Chevy Bel Air. Which doesn't look radically different, just styled differently.

The gap between the 1990s is bigger than gap between the 1950s and 1970s. Malaise Era cars were just like the cars of 50s but boxier with 8 track players and maybe A/C in luxury cars, like a Lincoln or Cadillac. In the 60s and 70s, safety and emissions regulations started to take form and the makers did whatever they could.

[NeoOasis]

What's amusing is not much changed between 1942 and 1972. Body on frame, carbs, bench seats. Yet, the difference between 1990 and now is pretty massive. Introduction of direct injection, increasingly small engines with even more power, semi-autonomous driving capabilities for even the entry level line-ups.

Advances in tech are pretty amazing.

1977 Ford LTD, if you can look in the background, there's what looks like a 55 Chevy Bel Air. Which doesn't look radically different, just styled differently.

The gap between the 1990s is bigger than gap between the 1950s and 1970s. Malaise Era cars were just like the cars of 50s but boxier with 8 track players and maybe A/C in luxury cars, like a Lincoln or Cadillac. In the 60s and 70s, safety and emissions regulations started to take form and the makers did whatever they could.

I'm quite interested to see where the next 20-30 years takes us. My predictions are all automakers will continue to consolidate their platforms with the ultimate goal of having 2-3 platforms by the end of the next decade. BMW is apparently on the ball in that matter as rumors are pointing to BMW developing only two common platforms that will encompass literally their entire automotive lineup from the i-series electrics to the X-series SUVs. From what I remember the two platforms will cover RWD cars and FWD cars.

We all know what VAG is doing with their MLB platforms, and Toyota has their own... uhhhh... TNGA I believe. The odd man out right now is FCA's wonderfully varied platforms that originate from the Diamler, Bain, and Fiat days.

[Jetan]

Anyone have or have had '80s or '90s Mini? Any idea how they survive on snow?

[Petrolheadia]

What's amusing is not much changed between 1942 and 1972. Body on frame, carbs, bench seats. Yet, the difference between 1990 and now is pretty massive. Introduction of direct injection, increasingly small engines with even more power, semi-autonomous driving capabilities for even the entry level line-ups.

Advances in tech are pretty amazing.

1977 Ford LTD, if you can look in the background, there's what looks like a 55 Chevy Bel Air. Which doesn't look radically different, just styled differently.

The gap between the 1990s is bigger than gap between the 1950s and 1970s. Malaise Era cars were just like the cars of 50s but boxier with 8 track players and maybe A/C in luxury cars, like a Lincoln or Cadillac. In the 60s and 70s, safety and emissions regulations started to take form and the makers did whatever they could.

The 55-75 gap was rather large.

In that time in the US, imports,subcompacts, compacts, midsizers, personal luxury cars and sports/pony cars gained traction, brands like Studebaker or Packard went down, fullsizes went from ladder frames and rear leaf springs to perimeter or unibody and rear coils, hardtops became commonplace, I6s stopped being the standard and become an economy option, and styling went from ornate to squared-off.

In Western Europe, post-war econoboxes were being replaced with more serious compact/midsize cars, the small car segment was developing, diesel was ceasing to be a curiosity, RWD was being replaced by front transverse FWD and styling trends went from bulbous sedans to squared-off hatchbacks.

The Eastern Bloc saw a rise of cars intended for the average citizen, like Ladas in the USSR, Zastava 750 in Yugoslavia or Fiat 126p in Poland. In addition, many new designs were developed, and the industry went from rather simple, bulbous cars to more modern, squared designs.

Japan went from a backwater to a huge automotive exporter, while Korea was gearing up to do so.

[NeoOasis]

Here's a piece of developing news. Ford is apparently looking into killing off the Lincoln Continental for the US market. While they do refuse to speculate, they apparently have found it to be a great seller in China. If Ford does indeed not speculate about the future of their model lines, it could answer the question as to why they haven't done a clean sheet design on the Escape, Fusion, or Edge in quite a long time.

Damn shame Ford continues its march towards oblivion with nary a thought towards the future. Needless to say I will not be buying anything Ford makes on my return to the US. No car no buy.

[Auzkhia]

Here's a piece of developing news. Ford is apparently looking into killing off the Lincoln Continental for the US market. While they do refuse to speculate, they apparently have found it to be a great seller in China. If Ford does indeed not speculate about the future of their model lines, it could answer the question as to why they haven't done a clean sheet design on the Escape, Fusion, or Edge in quite a long time.

Damn shame Ford continues its march towards oblivion with nary a thought towards the future. Needless to say I will not be buying anything Ford makes on my return to the US. No car no buy.

That'd be a mistake since I quite like it, though not updating the Fusion was a bad mistake, but I'm in no position to really say since I can't afford new, it seems like only boomers can.

[The Two Jerseys]

Here's a piece of developing news. Ford is apparently looking into killing off the Lincoln Continental for the US market. While they do refuse to speculate, they apparently have found it to be a great seller in China. If Ford does indeed not speculate about the future of their model lines, it could answer the question as to why they haven't done a clean sheet design on the Escape, Fusion, or Edge in quite a long time.

Damn shame Ford continues its march towards oblivion with nary a thought towards the future. Needless to say I will not be buying anything Ford makes on my return to the US. No car no buy.

Ford-Lincoln = Finishing Off Redundant Divisions-Lineup Is No Cars Or Luxury Now

[Petrolheadia]

Here's a piece of developing news. Ford is apparently looking into killing off the Lincoln Continental for the US market. While they do refuse to speculate, they apparently have found it to be a great seller in China. If Ford does indeed not speculate about the future of their model lines, it could answer the question as to why they haven't done a clean sheet design on the Escape, Fusion, or Edge in quite a long time.

Damn shame Ford continues its march towards oblivion with nary a thought towards the future. Needless to say I will not be buying anything Ford makes on my return to the US. No car no buy.

Ford has lately been extending their models' lifespans as far as possible - the Fiesta lasted 9 years, the Ka had 8, the Mustang was out there for 9 years, the Taurus - for 8, the Falcon has been here since 2006, the Expedition - for 11 years, the Crown Victoria - for 13 years, etc.

Also, the Ford lineups change with time.

For example, four decades ago FoMoCo had 5 coupes in Europe (Escort, Cortina/Taunus, 2x Granada, Capri), plus 9 others (Elite, Thunderbird, LTD, LTD II, Mustang, Cougar, Marquis, Continental, Mark V) on selected markets. Now it only has the Mustang.

[NeoOasis]

Here's a piece of developing news. Ford is apparently looking into killing off the Lincoln Continental for the US market. While they do refuse to speculate, they apparently have found it to be a great seller in China. If Ford does indeed not speculate about the future of their model lines, it could answer the question as to why they haven't done a clean sheet design on the Escape, Fusion, or Edge in quite a long time.

Damn shame Ford continues its march towards oblivion with nary a thought towards the future. Needless to say I will not be buying anything Ford makes on my return to the US. No car no buy.

Ford has lately been extending their models' lifespans as far as possible - the Fiesta lasted 9 years, the Ka had 8, the Mustang was out there for 9 years, the Taurus - for 8, the Falcon has been here since 2006, the Expedition - for 11 years, the Crown Victoria - for 13 years, etc.

Also, the Ford lineups change with time.

For example, four decades ago FoMoCo had 5 coupes in Europe (Escort, Cortina/Taunus, 2x Granada, Capri), plus 9 others (Elite, Thunderbird, LTD, LTD II, Mustang, Cougar, Marquis, Continental, Mark V) on selected markets. Now it only has the Mustang.

Mustang has been resdesigned from the ground up recently. The current model was introduced in 2015. The Expedition also got a full fat redesign in the last 3 years. But I feel the main lineup could use a redesign. The Fusion, Edge, and Escape are all getting very much long in the tooth right now, and fall short of modern competition.

[Packard Car Lover]

Shalom, it is I Great Britainnn. I made this account solely for this forum chat..

[Petrolheadia]

"Desirable".

[East Fredonia]

I think the reason the latest Continental's been a flop is that it's so goddamn boring to look at. It legit looks like one of those "let's take this real car and put the front and back of another car on it" cars from GTA 5. It's way too small and stubby looking, there's zero presence to it. The Taurus/Fusion platform was the biggest mistake, tho. To compete with Lexus and ze Germans you have to have RWD.

[Auzkhia]

"Desirable".

That'll buff out, just needs some tlc. /s

I think the reason the latest Continental's been a flop is that it's so goddamn boring to look at. It legit looks like one of those "let's take this real car and put the front and back of another car on it" cars from GTA 5. It's way too small and stubby looking, there's zero presence to it. The Taurus/Fusion platform was the biggest mistake, tho. To compete with Lexus and ze Germans you have to have RWD.

If it were RWD based, on let's say an extended Mustang platform, and had the 5.0 V8 option, it'd sell and be a worthy replacement to the Town Car. A lot of fleet and limo companies find the Cyclone V6 to be not as durable as the old 4.6 modular, and the current 5.0 is just a bored out 4.6, still a modular V8.

[NeoOasis]

If it were RWD based, on let's say an extended Mustang platform, and had the 5.0 V8 option, it'd sell and be a worthy replacement to the Town Car. A lot of fleet and limo companies find the Cyclone V6 to be not as durable as the old 4.6 modular, and the current 5.0 is just a bored out 4.6, still a modular V8.

Ford disagrees with that sentiment. Rumor was the next Continental was to be based on the CD6 platform the new Explorer runs on. Meaning it would have been RWD based. My guess is it'll become a China exclusive, and will be phased out in the US unless something radical changes.

[Vassenor]

Is it bad that I prefer the Citroen C3 I had a lesson in today to the Type-R my instructor normally uses?

[NeoOasis]

Is it bad that I prefer the Citroen C3 I had a lesson in today to the Type-R my instructor normally uses?

Prolly not. I've always liked Citroen for their styling and tech. My dream car remains the Citroen SM. Lovely car.

[Petrolheadia]

Is it bad that I prefer the Citroen C3 I had a lesson in today to the Type-R my instructor normally uses?

Prolly not. I've always liked Citroen for their styling and tech. My dream car remains the Citroen SM. Lovely car.

It's a C3. It has as much to do with an SM as a glass shard with a diamond.