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Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:21 am**

Costa Fierro wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:GM CEO: Our sedans are still significant but declining

I still see GM's operating on the "see what Ford's doing and do the complete opposite". In this case I think that while their sedan line ups are declining, I don't believe GM is stupid enough to follow Ford and abandon them completely because "muh profitability". GM's profitable now, it has no reason to do so.

They probably will discontinue the slow selling Impala, but keep the Malibu around.

Petrolheadia wrote:
Roberto Luongo wrote:
Chevrolet Spark. Small and compact, but also durable and strong. The metal with which the car is made is strong, compared to those of other country's brands.

SHEUVY RYNS DYYP!

Ah rather push a FERD than drive a SHEVY!

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:26 am**

Costa Fierro wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:GM CEO: Our sedans are still significant but declining

I still see GM's operating on the "see what Ford's doing and do the complete opposite". In this case I think that while their sedan line ups are declining, I don't believe GM is stupid enough to follow Ford and abandon them completely because "muh profitability". GM's profitable now, it has no reason to do so.

Didn't stop them cutting themselves out of the European sedan market.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 11:27 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
I still see GM's operating on the "see what Ford's doing and do the complete opposite". In this case I think that while their sedan line ups are declining, I don't believe GM is stupid enough to follow Ford and abandon them completely because "muh profitability". GM's profitable now, it has no reason to do so.

Didn't stop them cutting themselves out of the European sedan market.

Yeah they sold the Opel/Vauxhall division to Peugeot.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 3:39 pm**

Auzkhia wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
I still see GM's operating on the "see what Ford's doing and do the complete opposite". In this case I think that while their sedan line ups are declining, I don't believe GM is stupid enough to follow Ford and abandon them completely because "muh profitability". GM's profitable now, it has no reason to do so.

They probably will discontinue the slow selling Impala,

Which is still outselling everything in its class except the Charger, despite no updates since 2014 and GM never advertising it anymore.

Just imagine what they could do with that rumored update it's supposed to have next year and some actual love from the PR department and that Impala SS we keep demanding.

but keep the Malibu around.

Anyone who would suggest dropping the Malibu is an idiot, the number of new Malibus I see on the road around here is insane.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:16 pm**

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:They probably will discontinue the slow selling Impala,

Which is still outselling everything in its class except the Charger, despite no updates since 2014 and GM never advertising it anymore.

Just imagine what they could do with that rumored update it's supposed to have next year and some actual love from the PR department and that Impala SS we keep demanding.
but keep the Malibu around.

Anyone who would suggest dropping the Malibu is an idiot, the number of new Malibus I see on the road around here is insane.

The Charger does well because of its muscle car aesthetic.

The Malibu does well, though in a report, Ford will keep the Fusion a little longer at least until 2022, the Taurus is dead, it's slated to end by 2019, but keeping the Mondeo in other markets besides America.

Fullsize sedans are a small shrinking market, but I think the midsize isn't as a dead as Jim Hackett thinks it is, though not as big as it used to be, it's still significant.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 4:43 pm**

Auzkhia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Which is still outselling everything in its class except the Charger, despite no updates since 2014 and GM never advertising it anymore.

Just imagine what they could do with that rumored update it's supposed to have next year and some actual love from the PR department and that Impala SS we keep demanding.

Anyone who would suggest dropping the Malibu is an idiot, the number of new Malibus I see on the road around here is insane.

The Charger does well because of its muscle car aesthetic.

The Malibu does well, though in a report, Ford will keep the Fusion a little longer at least until 2022, the Taurus is dead, it's slated to end by 2019, but keeping the Mondeo in other markets besides America.

Fullsize sedans are a small shrinking market, but I think the midsize isn't as a dead as Jim Hackett thinks it is, though not as big as it used to be, it's still significant.

Every single full-size car combined only outsold the Camry last year by 4000 units.

The midsize market definitely is not dead.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 5:07 pm**

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:The Charger does well because of its muscle car aesthetic.

The Malibu does well, though in a report, Ford will keep the Fusion a little longer at least until 2022, the Taurus is dead, it's slated to end by 2019, but keeping the Mondeo in other markets besides America.

Fullsize sedans are a small shrinking market, but I think the midsize isn't as a dead as Jim Hackett thinks it is, though not as big as it used to be, it's still significant.

Every single full-size car combined only outsold the Camry last year by 4000 units.

The midsize market definitely is not dead.

The Ford Fusion isn't doing too bad, it outsells the Malibu.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:18 pm**

Vassenor wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
I still see GM's operating on the "see what Ford's doing and do the complete opposite". In this case I think that while their sedan line ups are declining, I don't believe GM is stupid enough to follow Ford and abandon them completely because "muh profitability". GM's profitable now, it has no reason to do so.

Didn't stop them cutting themselves out of the European sedan market.

The European market is actually changing substantially, with Chevrolet being squeezed out by brands like Dacia and luxury brands like Audi and BMW who are moving downmarket. Mainstream brands like Ford and Opel are being squeezed too, so it makes sense that GM will try and make it's European operations more profitable. Chevrolet doesn't really have the same brand presence as Opel and Vauxhall do.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:21 pm**

Auzkhia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Every single full-size car combined only outsold the Camry last year by 4000 units.

The midsize market definitely is not dead.

The Ford Fusion isn't doing too bad, it outsells the Malibu.

The Fusion isn't unprofitable, it's that it's not profitable enough.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 6:26 pm**

Costa Fierro wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Didn't stop them cutting themselves out of the European sedan market.

The European market is actually changing substantially, with Chevrolet being squeezed out by brands like Dacia and luxury brands like Audi and BMW who are moving downmarket. Mainstream brands like Ford and Opel are being squeezed too, so it makes sense that GM will try and make it's European operations more profitable. Chevrolet doesn't really have the same brand presence as Opel and Vauxhall do.

Chevrolet exists to sell the Corvette and Camaro there.

Costa Fierro wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:The Ford Fusion isn't doing too bad, it outsells the Malibu.

The Fusion isn't unprofitable, it's that it's not profitable enough.

Especially with some deals to move inventory, it's sad that less Americans are buying sedans, even though that will do them just fine.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:31 pm**

Auzkhia wrote:Chevrolet exists to sell the Corvette and Camaro there.

Which is probably better given that the market for sports cars is, although filled with numerous manufacturers, isn't as cut-throat as mainstream markets.

Posted: **Sat Apr 28, 2018 9:48 pm**

Costa Fierro wrote:
Auzkhia wrote:Chevrolet exists to sell the Corvette and Camaro there.

Which is probably better given that the market for sports cars is, although filled with numerous manufacturers, isn't as cut-throat as mainstream markets.

The Corvette is priced higher, same price as some Porsche 911 models, but the Camaro base price works out to US$48,500. It's a completely different brand in Germany, they used to sell Korean made cars like the Matiz.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:33 am**

Costa Fierro wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Didn't stop them cutting themselves out of the European sedan market.

The European market is actually changing substantially, with Chevrolet being squeezed out by brands like Dacia and luxury brands like Audi and BMW who are moving downmarket. Mainstream brands like Ford and Opel are being squeezed too, so it makes sense that GM will try and make it's European operations more profitable. Chevrolet doesn't really have the same brand presence as Opel and Vauxhall do.

So why offload their two main brands with recognition in the market?

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 9:37 am**

Vassenor wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
The European market is actually changing substantially, with Chevrolet being squeezed out by brands like Dacia and luxury brands like Audi and BMW who are moving downmarket. Mainstream brands like Ford and Opel are being squeezed too, so it makes sense that GM will try and make it's European operations more profitable. Chevrolet doesn't really have the same brand presence as Opel and Vauxhall do.

So why offload their two main brands with recognition in the market?

Because they weren't bringing in much revenue.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 12:54 pm**

The time when Porsche made a people's car for China.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:38 pm**

Went to a local autoshow today. This happened to a Camaro. Bonus for our new Fiero owner, a fastback GT in the background.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:27 pm**

So yesterday I saw a Boxster with Ruf badges parked outside my place.

I'm inclined to say that it's a fake...

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:41 pm**

Cannot think of a name wrote:Went to a local autoshow today. This happened to a Camaro. Bonus for our new Fiero owner, a fastback GT in the background.
(Image)

They mutilated the Camaro......

Beautiful Fiero though! Progress on mine is steady, I should have her on the road very soon, I can't wait!!! I just have to redo the brakes, get a new radiator fan, and figure out why she's idling high.

Posted: **Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:06 pm**

Aillyria wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Went to a local autoshow today. This happened to a Camaro. Bonus for our new Fiero owner, a fastback GT in the background.
(Image)

They mutilated the Camaro......

That motherfucker was for sale for the low low price of $120,000.

Aillyria wrote:Beautiful Fiero though! Progress on mine is steady, I should have her on the road very soon, I can't wait!!! I just have to redo the brakes, get a new radiator fan, and figure out why she's idling high.

If it's fuel injection the solution, as I understand it, is voodoo. This was my experience with the 914.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:40 am**

The Two Jerseys wrote:So yesterday I saw a Boxster with Ruf badges parked outside my place.

I'm inclined to say that it's a fake...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_3400S#3800S

Aillyria wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Went to a local autoshow today. This happened to a Camaro. Bonus for our new Fiero owner, a fastback GT in the background.
(Image)

They mutilated the Camaro......

Beautiful Fiero though! Progress on mine is steady, I should have her on the road very soon, I can't wait!!! I just have to redo the brakes, get a new radiator fan, and figure out why she's idling high.

The joys of owning a classic.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:38 am**

My old friend went to fairs and shows and bought old cars, spruced them up, brought them back next year to sell at a profit, and used that to buy more cars.
He reimaged many Cadillacs, and made me laugh by describing that emissions scrubbing device as a "Cadillac converter". Never sure whether or not he was joking,

His favorite was an old Crosley he had rebuilt to perfection, original paint match and everything, It was nobody's ideal ride; for instance, the doors made a mild "click" when you slammed them shut. But as an example of what the car had been, it could not be better.

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Crosley/

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 7:53 am**

I have finally seen an electric car I would consider owning:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/29/17286732/ds-x-e-tense-electric-concept-futuristic-take-on-old-school-racecars

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:16 am**

Pope Joan wrote:My old friend went to fairs and shows and bought old cars, spruced them up, brought them back next year to sell at a profit, and used that to buy more cars.
He reimaged many Cadillacs, and made me laugh by describing that emissions scrubbing device as a "Cadillac converter". Never sure whether or not he was joking,

His favorite was an old Crosley he had rebuilt to perfection, original paint match and everything, It was nobody's ideal ride; for instance, the doors made a mild "click" when you slammed them shut. But as an example of what the car had been, it could not be better.

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Crosley/

It looks both posh and austere, somehow.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:41 am**

Pope Joan wrote:My old friend went to fairs and shows and bought old cars, spruced them up, brought them back next year to sell at a profit, and used that to buy more cars.
He reimaged many Cadillacs, and made me laugh by describing that emissions scrubbing device as a "Cadillac converter". Never sure whether or not he was joking,

His favorite was an old Crosley he had rebuilt to perfection, original paint match and everything, It was nobody's ideal ride; for instance, the doors made a mild "click" when you slammed them shut. But as an example of what the car had been, it could not be better.

http://oldcarandtruckpictures.com/Crosley/

Hot Shots became the bed for a lot of garage built race cars.

Posted: **Mon Apr 30, 2018 3:00 pm**

Petrolheadia wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:So yesterday I saw a Boxster with Ruf badges parked outside my place.

I'm inclined to say that it's a fake...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruf_3400S#3800S

I know they exist.

But if you can afford even a used Ruf, you're not going to be renting an apartment...

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