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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 31, 2019 9:58 am

Oyada wrote:The impression I get is that Chrysler has never really recovered from the Lynn Townsend era; that period seems to me to have squandered Chrysler's reputational advantages - innovation, clever design, and above-average build quality (notwithstanding the variable quality of all cars during the 1950s and 60s). Sure, the company's share price did all right, and the wages were good; but the cars became ropier by the year, the sales volume fell and fell, and eventually the company adopted a policy of storing them up and effectively counting unsold cars as "bound to be sold soon, ergo sold". By the time John Riccardo found himself in command of the ship (and made the bold choice to Americanise the SIMCA/Talbot Horizon as the Plymouth Horizon/Dodge Omni), Chrysler was in appalling financial shape, without the money to do anything more than roll the dice, hope the European-derived machines kept the lights on, and beg the US government for money. Iacocca's persuasive powers, and the fundamentally good qualities of the K-cars, then managed to pump the company out and stop it from foundering.

Thing was, by then Chrysler's old reputation from the 1950s and 1960s meant nothing; the company was trading on being fairly inexpensive, having some interesting divisional cars (e.g. the Viper) and taking advantage of the minivan and SUV booms. It did well out of that, but funamentally, it didn't have enough money to keep up sustained investment in keeping its vehicles up-to-date and keeping build quality high. The PT Cruiser is a case in point, receiving one mid-life facelift and some significant, but not really fresh, mechanical changes, before dying in 2010, and suffering a reputation for variable build quality and fragility of parts that bigger investments would have cured (and which was shared by the Sebring). Underinvestment meant underimprovement, and in the end the public began to go elsewhere. It didn't help that Chrysler execs also tended to spaff money on the trappings of high office.

I wouldn't say that Chrysler's decline was brought on by Townsend. While he did make some bad decisions, the build quality was not that bad (at least for 70s Detroit standards), except for the Aspen debacle. Townsend's trouble was more related to the company not having the right cars (e.g. no subcompact like the Pinto or Vega or sporty coupe like the Mustang II or Monza in the gas crisis) for the right time.

Rather, the rot set in in the Iacocca years, with obsessive platform sharing (Chrysler Limousine, TC by Maserati) and the start of cost-cutting (e.g. A604 "ProbleMatic"). Bob Lutz only made it worse with his cost-cutting that made the short-term costs low, but ultimately ended up dooming the company to the role of a purveyor of cheap trash for people who don't qualify for anything else, as well as a lack of any properly succesful luxury models.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Fri May 31, 2019 12:50 pm

Went to see the start of the Vistula Rally (modern & historic) in my town. Saw:

- a multitude of modern hatchbacks: Fiestas, i20s, Fabias, C3s, DS3s...

- older rally cars: Lancer Evo VIII/X, older Imprezas, 5th/6th gen Civics, E36 compact, E30s, 1-Series, Clios, Cinquecentos...

- Nissan 350Z,

- a few Ladas, plus a Fiat 125p,

- Fiats: 131 and Ritmo Abarth,

- two Quattros,

- classic 911,

- 1st gen Legacy,

- Citroen AX,

- Alfa Romeo 1750 (announced as "Lancia Fulvia"),

- Saab 96 V4,

- Syrena 104,

- Triumph TR7 (awesome sound!).

Also some cool cars in the paddock: a carbon widebody Mk4 Supra, a C7 Corvette convertible, a Ford Focus RS, a Kia Stinger GTLine and a few new DSes and Volvos. Plus a restored Fiat 125p on the way there.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Sat Jun 01, 2019 6:44 am

I decided to make a little analysis of the car price and type distribution of my metropolitan area (Puławy metro area - 10 km radius) after a search around OLX.

The cheapest sort of car you can get will cost you 800 PLN (~$200). It is a 3rd gen Opel Corsa without its drivetrain. Then we have the 1000-1500 PLN (~$250-400) stuff - 90s compacts (e.g. Astra), economy cars (Lanos, Matiz).

The bottom 10th percentile line is 4500 PLN (~$1200). It usually gets people a small car from the early-to-mid 00s - Renault Clio, Fiat Punto, Opel Corsa... all with an engine around 1.2 or 1.4 litres.

The bottom 20th percentile is around 7500 PLN (~$2000). This tends to get you a mid-00s compact hatch or wagon with an engine around 1.6 litres - a Peugeot 307, Renault Megane, Opel Astra... Maybe an earlier midsizer, like a Ford Mondeo or VW Passat, or a compact minivan like a Renault Scenic.

The median falls around 15k PLN (~$4000). A typical car for that money is a mid-to-late 00s compact minivan with a diesel engine around 1.6 or 2.0 litres - Citroen C4 Picasso, VW Touran, Ford C-Max... Sometimes, people buy wagons like a mid-00s Audi A4 or Volvo V70, and in the suburban/rural areas, you might find early 00s SUVs - Honda CR-V, Mitsubishi Pajero...

20th percentile is around 25k PLN (~$6500). People tend to get a late 00s/early 10s crossover or sedan/wagon, usually crossover, as they live in the suburbs or exurbs. The crossover can be compact (e.g. Nissan Qashqai), midsize (e.g. Mitsubishi Outlander) or fullsize (e.g. BMW X5), usually midsize, while the sedan/wagon tends to be a German luxury fullsize (e.g. Audi A6, BMW 5-Series), with some selection of less fancy ones (e.g. Insignia, V70).

10th percentile is around 36k PLN (~$9500). Mainly like the above, but the cars will be newer and/or in better condition.

The most expensive thing I found was a BMW X6 for 270k (~$70k). Then you have some stuff in the mid-100s, mainly German luxury cars (E-Class, X3, A6, etc.).

Funnily enough, while the numbers up to the median are similar to the Polish ones, the Polish top 20th is ~50k, and the top 10th is ~90k, making the Puławy metro area quite egalitarian. We also tend to go for more practical stuff, as the usual Polish choice is a midsize sedan/wagon of different ages, not smaller/more spacious cars like in my town.
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Postby Lamborghini Aventador » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:16 am

Petrolheadia wrote:I decided to make a little analysis of the car price and type distribution of my metropolitan area (Puławy metro area - 10 km radius) after a search around OLX.

The cheapest sort of car you can get will cost you 800 PLN (~$200). It is a 3rd gen Opel Corsa without its drivetrain. Then we have the 1000-1500 PLN (~$250-400) stuff - 90s compacts (e.g. Astra), economy cars (Lanos, Matiz).

The bottom 10th percentile line is 4500 PLN (~$1200). It usually gets people a small car from the early-to-mid 00s - Renault Clio, Fiat Punto, Opel Corsa... all with an engine around 1.2 or 1.4 litres.

The bottom 20th percentile is around 7500 PLN (~$2000). This tends to get you a mid-00s compact hatch or wagon with an engine around 1.6 litres - a Peugeot 307, Renault Megane, Opel Astra... Maybe an earlier midsizer, like a Ford Mondeo or VW Passat, or a compact minivan like a Renault Scenic.

The median falls around 15k PLN (~$4000). A typical car for that money is a mid-to-late 00s compact minivan with a diesel engine around 1.6 or 2.0 litres - Citroen C4 Picasso, VW Touran, Ford C-Max... Sometimes, people buy wagons like a mid-00s Audi A4 or Volvo V70, and in the suburban/rural areas, you might find early 00s SUVs - Honda CR-V, Mitsubishi Pajero...

20th percentile is around 25k PLN (~$6500). People tend to get a late 00s/early 10s crossover or sedan/wagon, usually crossover, as they live in the suburbs or exurbs. The crossover can be compact (e.g. Nissan Qashqai), midsize (e.g. Mitsubishi Outlander) or fullsize (e.g. BMW X5), usually midsize, while the sedan/wagon tends to be a German luxury fullsize (e.g. Audi A6, BMW 5-Series), with some selection of less fancy ones (e.g. Insignia, V70).

10th percentile is around 36k PLN (~$9500). Mainly like the above, but the cars will be newer and/or in better condition.

The most expensive thing I found was a BMW X6 for 270k (~$70k). Then you have some stuff in the mid-100s, mainly German luxury cars (E-Class, X3, A6, etc.).

Funnily enough, while the numbers up to the median are similar to the Polish ones, the Polish top 20th is ~50k, and the top 10th is ~90k, making the Puławy metro area quite egalitarian. We also tend to go for more practical stuff, as the usual Polish choice is a midsize sedan/wagon of different ages, not smaller/more spacious cars like in my town.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:53 am

Lamborghini Aventador wrote:little tooo much spam don't you think you want to start trouble with me about pic spam you have to hold up your end on not spammming

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Postby NeoOasis » Mon Jun 03, 2019 9:17 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:Chrysler products had the price. And if you're not going to have a car for long, why get one that would last long?


No one buys a car short term these days. That's as stupid as it is stupid. Actually it's just flat out stupid. The average age of cars in the US right now are pushing a decade meaning people tend to buy their cars to keep over a longer period of time. So a car lasting is very important, and it helps with resale value down the road. There's a reason domestics are dirt cheap while imports tend to be more expensive.

Also it tends to be short sighted even if a person leases their car. Imagine a person leasing for 3 years, only to return an unusable piece of junk at the end. Dealer can't flip it for a profit... and the people leasing might themselves move to a more reliable car brand even for leasing. This isn't the 90s disposable culture anymore... people can't afford to fuck around with money.

That is exactly why I won't be buying anything American or German in the near future. America has more or less stopped offering anything in my target demographic, and German cars are notorious for having issues with direct injection.
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Postby Auzkhia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:47 pm

I figured out why the Dodge Challenger grew on me, it's only the boat of a car being made by a Big 3 automaker. I have a type, I guess. And it's a car I can have in my favorite color, plus it's Canadian built.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:07 pm

NeoOasis wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:Chrysler products had the price. And if you're not going to have a car for long, why get one that would last long?


No one buys a car short term these days. That's as stupid as it is stupid. Actually it's just flat out stupid. The average age of cars in the US right now are pushing a decade meaning people tend to buy their cars to keep over a longer period of time. So a car lasting is very important, and it helps with resale value down the road. There's a reason domestics are dirt cheap while imports tend to be more expensive.

Also it tends to be short sighted even if a person leases their car. Imagine a person leasing for 3 years, only to return an unusable piece of junk at the end. Dealer can't flip it for a profit... and the people leasing might themselves move to a more reliable car brand even for leasing. This isn't the 90s disposable culture anymore... people can't afford to fuck around with money.

That is exactly why I won't be buying anything American or German in the near future. America has more or less stopped offering anything in my target demographic, and German cars are notorious for having issues with direct injection.

It depends. Many people whom I have seen quickly change their cars (and even some who buy for a long time) buy new VAG or even French stuff, and many leased vans in my area are the Sevel Eurovans, not the more reliable Mercedes Sprinters or anything Japanese.
Auzkhia wrote:I figured out why the Dodge Challenger grew on me, it's only the boat of a car being made by a Big 3 automaker. I have a type, I guess. And it's a car I can have in my favorite color, plus it's Canadian built.

What sort of a boat is that? World Powerboat Championship?
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Postby NeoOasis » Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:19 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:It depends. Many people whom I have seen quickly change their cars (and even some who buy for a long time) buy new VAG or even French stuff, and many leased vans in my area are the Sevel Eurovans, not the more reliable Mercedes Sprinters or anything Japanese.


Depends on what? Buying or not has nothing to do with VW's less than stellar long term reliability. Direct injection cruding up the intake is a well known issue with most if not all automakers who offer the tech. And the leasing of eurovans kinda proves my point that people know what's up and avoid long term ownership of problematic vehicles.

Auzkhia wrote:I figured out why the Dodge Challenger grew on me, it's only the boat of a car being made by a Big 3 automaker. I have a type, I guess. And it's a car I can have in my favorite color, plus it's Canadian built.

What sort of a boat is that? World Powerboat Championship?[/quote]

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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:52 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
NeoOasis wrote:
No one buys a car short term these days. That's as stupid as it is stupid. Actually it's just flat out stupid. The average age of cars in the US right now are pushing a decade meaning people tend to buy their cars to keep over a longer period of time. So a car lasting is very important, and it helps with resale value down the road. There's a reason domestics are dirt cheap while imports tend to be more expensive.

Also it tends to be short sighted even if a person leases their car. Imagine a person leasing for 3 years, only to return an unusable piece of junk at the end. Dealer can't flip it for a profit... and the people leasing might themselves move to a more reliable car brand even for leasing. This isn't the 90s disposable culture anymore... people can't afford to fuck around with money.

That is exactly why I won't be buying anything American or German in the near future. America has more or less stopped offering anything in my target demographic, and German cars are notorious for having issues with direct injection.

It depends. Many people whom I have seen quickly change their cars (and even some who buy for a long time) buy new VAG or even French stuff, and many leased vans in my area are the Sevel Eurovans, not the more reliable Mercedes Sprinters or anything Japanese.
Auzkhia wrote:I figured out why the Dodge Challenger grew on me, it's only the boat of a car being made by a Big 3 automaker. I have a type, I guess. And it's a car I can have in my favorite color, plus it's Canadian built.

What sort of a boat is that? World Powerboat Championship?

It's a big car, compared its direct competitors, which are somewhere between compact-midsize, the Challenger is a two door, coupe variant of the large Sedan Charger, both are full size cars. It handles the worst among its competitors, but that's okay, since it's more GT or Personal Luxury than a pony car like the more agile Mustang and Camaro.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:06 am

NeoOasis wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:It depends. Many people whom I have seen quickly change their cars (and even some who buy for a long time) buy new VAG or even French stuff, and many leased vans in my area are the Sevel Eurovans, not the more reliable Mercedes Sprinters or anything Japanese.


Depends on what? Buying or not has nothing to do with VW's less than stellar long term reliability. Direct injection cruding up the intake is a well known issue with most if not all automakers who offer the tech. And the leasing of eurovans kinda proves my point that people know what's up and avoid long term ownership of problematic vehicles.

They're companies. If those things break, it means they lose money, and yet they keep buying them.

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Petrolheadia wrote:It depends. Many people whom I have seen quickly change their cars (and even some who buy for a long time) buy new VAG or even French stuff, and many leased vans in my area are the Sevel Eurovans, not the more reliable Mercedes Sprinters or anything Japanese.

What sort of a boat is that? World Powerboat Championship?

It's a big car, compared its direct competitors, which are somewhere between compact-midsize, the Challenger is a two door, coupe variant of the large Sedan Charger, both are full size cars. It handles the worst among its competitors, but that's okay, since it's more GT or Personal Luxury than a pony car like the more agile Mustang and Camaro.

It's not a GT. It's not a fucking personal luxury car. It's a muscle car awaiting a better chassis.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:39 pm

I've just found a comparison of Sergio Marchionne's 2014 5-year plan and reality.

All those years failed to bring us:
- a facelifted Fiat Uno,
- a new Fiat Panda,
- a new Fiat Punto,
- a new Fiat Siena,
- a facelifted Fiat Grand Siena,
- a Fiat subcompact crossover,
- a Fiat compact crossover,
- a Fiat midsize sedan,
- a subcompact Dodge,
- a new Dodge Dart,
- a new Dodge Journey,
- a new Dodge Charger and Challenger,
- a facelifted Dodge Viper,
- the Chrysler 100,
- a new Chrysler 200,
- a new Chrysler 300,
- a Chrysler midsize and fullsize crossover,
- a new Jeep Grand Cherokee/Grand Wagoneer,
- two Alfa Romeo compacts,
- an Alfa Romeo exec sedan,
- another Alfa Romeo crossover,
- an Alfa Romeo supercar,
- the Maserati Alfieri.

Quite the broken promises, huh?
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Postby Elwher » Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:01 pm



Nor had I, but I'd love one.
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Postby Novus America » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:39 pm

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Nor had I, but I'd love one.


I never had either but it looks pretty sweet.
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Postby NeoOasis » Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:50 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:I've just found a comparison of Sergio Marchionne's 2014 5-year plan and reality.

All those years failed to bring us:
- a facelifted Fiat Uno,
- a new Fiat Panda,
- a new Fiat Punto,
- a new Fiat Siena,
- a facelifted Fiat Grand Siena,
- a Fiat subcompact crossover,
- a Fiat compact crossover,
- a Fiat midsize sedan,
- a subcompact Dodge,
- a new Dodge Dart,
- a new Dodge Journey,
- a new Dodge Charger and Challenger,
- a facelifted Dodge Viper,
- the Chrysler 100,
- a new Chrysler 200,
- a new Chrysler 300,
- a Chrysler midsize and fullsize crossover,
- a new Jeep Grand Cherokee/Grand Wagoneer,
- two Alfa Romeo compacts,
- an Alfa Romeo exec sedan,
- another Alfa Romeo crossover,
- an Alfa Romeo supercar,
- the Maserati Alfieri.

Quite the broken promises, huh?


Good thing most of those promises fell through. Imagine how much of a hit FCA would take refreshing/introducing all those sedans the market is losing interest in.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:03 pm

"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:21 pm

That's a heaping helping of punch out of a small package.
Four hundred and sixteen horsepower from a 2.0-liter four-cylinder. That's 208 hp per liter—a whopping 104 horses per cylinder. That's what AMG has squeezed out of the M 139 engine, the little turbo four that will power the next-generation Mercedes-AMG A45, along with the CLA45 and GLA45.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue Jun 11, 2019 1:54 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:That's a heaping helping of punch out of a small package.
Four hundred and sixteen horsepower from a 2.0-liter four-cylinder. That's 208 hp per liter—a whopping 104 horses per cylinder. That's what AMG has squeezed out of the M 139 engine, the little turbo four that will power the next-generation Mercedes-AMG A45, along with the CLA45 and GLA45.

I can feel the mechanics counting money...
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Postby Auzkhia » Tue Jun 11, 2019 5:39 pm

Petrolheadia wrote:

I can feel the mechanics counting money...

The future is now, old man!
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:26 pm

For those deep pocket cats who want to put 'powered by Tucker' on their hot rod...
a new engine was sought. The air-cooled Bell 47 helicopter engine designed and manufactured by the somewhat unimaginatively named Air Cooled Motors (originally the Franklin Engine Company).

The Air Cooled Motors Franklin O-335 engine was an aluminum flat-6 capable of 166 hp, it has a capacity of 334 cubic inches (5,470cc) and it was air-cooled.

The Tucker engineers made the decision to convert it to liquid-cooling which has puzzled automotive historians ever since, they succeeded however, and this would be the engine used in the 50 or so production Tucker 48 cars before the company closed its doors.
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The engine is due to come up for sale with RM Sotheby’s in mid-August and there’s currently no estimated price listed.

It’s difficult to know what the engine could be used for, though it would make an excellent candidate if anyone decided to build Preston Tucker’s “Carioca”. This was to be Tucker’s next car after the Tucker 48, it was more sporting and it was funded by a team of Brazilian’s who worked with Preston in the early 1950s.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:17 pm

Auzkhia wrote:
Petrolheadia wrote:I can feel the mechanics counting money...

The future is now, old man!

Look, when turbodiesels are dying out and the Thousand-Year Reich only survived twelve, it's better not to trust the Germans on the future.
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Postby Patridam » Wed Jun 12, 2019 7:03 pm

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Postby Petrolheadia » Thu Jun 13, 2019 11:32 pm


Any more data on its contents?

And that picture does not show the car well enough.
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If a Porsche owner treats it like a bicycle, he's a gentleman. And if he prays to it, he's simply a moron. - Jan Nowicki.

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