The General Car Thread - The Facelift.

[NeoOasis]

People who want sedans don't usually go to Ford or GM, they buy a Honda or Toyota instead, but even the Accord faces tight competition from the CRV.

Ultimately, my concern is how the used car market will look like in the next decades, and what will be new.

Used car market is already looking pretty sweet. With automakers focusing heavily on leases along with consumers, there is a flood of slightly used cars on the market right now. Which does beg the question in more than a few cases... why buy new when you can buy slightly used for far less?

As for actual car selection... Hope you don't mind choosing between a crossover, a crossover, a SUV, or a lifted wagon.

[Petrolheadia]

Any one have a car they 'discovered' through video games. Not necessarily a car you've never heard of, but developed a fondness for because it got you through on an addition of Forza or GT.

I have two, one more likely than the other. The first GT I lost my memory card and had to start over. Having already made it pretty far I was rushing through the game. Which means I was taking trophy cars and leapfrogging through the challenges. At one point I acquired an unassuming WRX wagon. That wagon was fine against other cars in its class and I had gotten used to the way it cornered and liked the all wheel drive, so I kept modifying it. Soon it was in races against Camaros and Mustangs and Vipers and Corvettes. I had a strict 'no racing tires until the race modification' rule for no reason so it was drifting widely through the turns with the engined tuned past the tires. Still was winning because it was a video game. Started saying things like "Wave to my dog as I pass you!" and "OUTTA THE WAY! I bought ice cream at the store and it's a hot day!" Then I race modified it and it took me through three of the four core series in the original GT. I think I got it by winning the first in a Miata.

The second is my '67 Cougar XR7 from I think GT 2 or 3. For some reason I just kept obsessively dialing that bastard in until it actually handled well and I could stomp on the gas without losing the rear end entirely. It was painted a cool dark blue that the computer tells me was purple and I thought it looked pimp as hell in the replays.

So every once in a while I see an early WRX wagon or old Cougar and think I might be interested then remind myself that it won't be the video game car and I certainly won't be able to drive it the way I did.

I discovered the 1976 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme through its BeamNG counterpart, the Bruckell Moonhawk.

[Costa Fierro]

People who want sedans don't usually go to Ford or GM, they buy a Honda or Toyota instead, but even the Accord faces tight competition from the CRV.

Ultimately, my concern is how the used car market will look like in the next decades, and what will be new.

The sad fact of the truth is that US domestic manufacturers too way too long to actually get the formula of the sedan right, simply relying on what they thought Americans wanted. Ford and Chrysler were just as guilty as GM was of this, which is why the Camry and Accord became the darlings of the middle class. The Big Three used to have the market all sewn up, but once some foreign competition was added that was as competitive if not superior to domestic offerings, not to mention the better way the Japanese brands ran their factories in the States, it sent the US domestic companies into a tail spin from which they really haven't recovered.

[Petrolheadia]

Apparently, Bosch found a way to greatly reduce diesel NOx emission.

[Auzkhia]

People who want sedans don't usually go to Ford or GM, they buy a Honda or Toyota instead, but even the Accord faces tight competition from the CRV.

Ultimately, my concern is how the used car market will look like in the next decades, and what will be new.

Used car market is already looking pretty sweet. With automakers focusing heavily on leases along with consumers, there is a flood of slightly used cars on the market right now. Which does beg the question in more than a few cases... why buy new when you can buy slightly used for far less?

As for actual car selection... Hope you don't mind choosing between a crossover, a crossover, a SUV, or a lifted wagon.

The only "crossovers" I like are the Ford Flex and Lincoln MKT, though they're basically wagon version of the Taurus and MKS/Continental. It's just Ford called them crossovers instead of wagons. I'd have to test drive them. I test drove both the Flex and Taurus on the same day, it felt that both had the same driving dynamics, they felt the same except the Flex was a bit roomier than the Taurus.

People who want sedans don't usually go to Ford or GM, they buy a Honda or Toyota instead, but even the Accord faces tight competition from the CRV.

Ultimately, my concern is how the used car market will look like in the next decades, and what will be new.

The sad fact of the truth is that US domestic manufacturers too way too long to actually get the formula of the sedan right, simply relying on what they thought Americans wanted. Ford and Chrysler were just as guilty as GM was of this, which is why the Camry and Accord became the darlings of the middle class. The Big Three used to have the market all sewn up, but once some foreign competition was added that was as competitive if not superior to domestic offerings, not to mention the better way the Japanese brands ran their factories in the States, it sent the US domestic companies into a tail spin from which they really haven't recovered.

Maybe American makers are no different than Chrysler, only know how to make trucks and pony cars.

[Petrolheadia]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

[Aboveland]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

The Mini, no question. The Fiat is too cute, the Smart is too stupid, the Scion is as stupid as the Smart but with less pedigree, and I have enough self worth not to get a Spark.

On the topic of "Smarts", the (new) ForFour is the dumbest car I've ever come across. I got into the back of it at an auto show in Buenos Aires and not a single part of my body was comfortable. My neck was bent to accommodate my head against the roof, my legs were stuck under the front passenger seat and starting to swell from the lack of bloodflow, and my arms were occupied trying to pry my legs from their trap. Granted, I'm 189cm, but still. The ForFour should be the for two people with a trunk.

[Auzkhia]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

The Mini is the most "premium" out of the bunch. As a stockbroker, you're used to luxury cars, the Smart feels like a Mercedes Bus or poverty spec A160 in terms of interior quality. The Spark and iQ have econobox style interiors, they won't even consider it after a quick look. The Fiat 500 tries to be artsy though, but the Mini is the closest to their taste.

[Petrolheadia]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

The Mini, no question. The Fiat is too cute, the Smart is too stupid, the Scion is as stupid as the Smart but with less pedigree, and I have enough self worth not to get a Spark.

On the topic of "Smarts", the (new) ForFour is the dumbest car I've ever come across. I got into the back of it at an auto show in Buenos Aires and not a single part of my body was comfortable. My neck was bent to accommodate my head against the roof, my legs were stuck under the front passenger seat and starting to swell from the lack of bloodflow, and my arms were occupied trying to pry my legs from their trap. Granted, I'm 189cm, but still. The ForFour should be the for two people with a trunk.

You're 189 cm. Here is the problem.

I am 186 cm, and my hair is touching the headliner of a 2007 Corolla.

[Aboveland]

The Mini, no question. The Fiat is too cute, the Smart is too stupid, the Scion is as stupid as the Smart but with less pedigree, and I have enough self worth not to get a Spark.

On the topic of "Smarts", the (new) ForFour is the dumbest car I've ever come across. I got into the back of it at an auto show in Buenos Aires and not a single part of my body was comfortable. My neck was bent to accommodate my head against the roof, my legs were stuck under the front passenger seat and starting to swell from the lack of bloodflow, and my arms were occupied trying to pry my legs from their trap. Granted, I'm 189cm, but still. The ForFour should be the for two people with a trunk.

You're 189 cm. Here is the problem.

I am 186 cm, and my hair is touching the headliner of a 2007 Corolla.

Could be.

I have trouble with the rear seats of 206s, and I can't rest my head anywhere in the back of a Sentra. Over cobblestones my head bobs side to side and knocks the grab handle, and if i tilt my head back against the (rigid) headrests I'm a) at an awkward angle and b) with my eyes next to the C (?) pillar.

[Petrolheadia]

You're 189 cm. Here is the problem.

I am 186 cm, and my hair is touching the headliner of a 2007 Corolla.

Could be.

I have trouble with the rear seats of 206s, and I can't rest my head anywhere in the back of a Sentra. Over cobblestones my head bobs side to side and knocks the grab handle, and if i tilt my head back against the (rigid) headrests I'm a) at an awkward angle and b) with my eyes next to the C (?) pillar.

I've got a memory with a 206.

Once in winter, my dad's Almera failed to start up, and our neighbour gave us a ride in her orange 206.

A bit later, I accidentally dinged the Peugeot with the Nissan's door. Talk about karma.

[Freezic Vast]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

I'd get the Mini or the Chevy Spark, probably the Spark.

[The Two Jerseys]

Looks like some Tesla shareholders are getting restless...

[Auzkhia]

GM CEO: Our sedans are still significant but declining

[Cannot think of a name]

Any one have a car they 'discovered' through video games. Not necessarily a car you've never heard of, but developed a fondness for because it got you through on an addition of Forza or GT.

I have two, one more likely than the other. The first GT I lost my memory card and had to start over. Having already made it pretty far I was rushing through the game. Which means I was taking trophy cars and leapfrogging through the challenges. At one point I acquired an unassuming WRX wagon. That wagon was fine against other cars in its class and I had gotten used to the way it cornered and liked the all wheel drive, so I kept modifying it. Soon it was in races against Camaros and Mustangs and Vipers and Corvettes. I had a strict 'no racing tires until the race modification' rule for no reason so it was drifting widely through the turns with the engined tuned past the tires. Still was winning because it was a video game. Started saying things like "Wave to my dog as I pass you!" and "OUTTA THE WAY! I bought ice cream at the store and it's a hot day!" Then I race modified it and it took me through three of the four core series in the original GT. I think I got it by winning the first in a Miata.

The second is my '67 Cougar XR7 from I think GT 2 or 3. For some reason I just kept obsessively dialing that bastard in until it actually handled well and I could stomp on the gas without losing the rear end entirely. It was painted a cool dark blue that the computer tells me was purple and I thought it looked pimp as hell in the replays.

So every once in a while I see an early WRX wagon or old Cougar and think I might be interested then remind myself that it won't be the video game car and I certainly won't be able to drive it the way I did.

The Lotus Elan, I've had one on every GT it has been in and always in the exact same blue. I adore that car it's so goddamn fun to tune and race. Same with the MG F/TF.

I definitely rock an Elan in every game I can, but I've been kind of a Lotus freak since I was a little kid, so I get all the Lotus' available. Even the Carlton. But the Elan gets lots of use.

Any one have a car they 'discovered' through video games. Not necessarily a car you've never heard of, but developed a fondness for because it got you through on an addition of Forza or GT.

I have two, one more likely than the other. The first GT I lost my memory card and had to start over. Having already made it pretty far I was rushing through the game. Which means I was taking trophy cars and leapfrogging through the challenges. At one point I acquired an unassuming WRX wagon. That wagon was fine against other cars in its class and I had gotten used to the way it cornered and liked the all wheel drive, so I kept modifying it. Soon it was in races against Camaros and Mustangs and Vipers and Corvettes. I had a strict 'no racing tires until the race modification' rule for no reason so it was drifting widely through the turns with the engined tuned past the tires. Still was winning because it was a video game. Started saying things like "Wave to my dog as I pass you!" and "OUTTA THE WAY! I bought ice cream at the store and it's a hot day!" Then I race modified it and it took me through three of the four core series in the original GT. I think I got it by winning the first in a Miata.

The second is my '67 Cougar XR7 from I think GT 2 or 3. For some reason I just kept obsessively dialing that bastard in until it actually handled well and I could stomp on the gas without losing the rear end entirely. It was painted a cool dark blue that the computer tells me was purple and I thought it looked pimp as hell in the replays.

So every once in a while I see an early WRX wagon or old Cougar and think I might be interested then remind myself that it won't be the video game car and I certainly won't be able to drive it the way I did.

BMW M3 GTR from GT4 and NFSMW, and for a while I thought the Beamers were the best cars in the world when I was a kid playing games like that. However, then I discovered faster and better looking cars like the Aston Martin DB9 being the coolest car ever made, the Koenigsegg CCX and CCXR, the best Swedish cars made since the Volvo XC90, and pretty much every sports car made by Mercedes, especially the Mercedes-McLaren they made. I do still love a lot of Beamers, and I still say the M3 is one of if not the best BMW they've ever made.

In GT1 or 2 I spent what felt like forever tuning my DB7 to win a specific race. I remember being all proud of myself setting my gearing based on the HP/Torque graph they provided to prevent getting bogged in the lag it had halfway through its power curve. Then I had different tune set ups for each track in the series. Winning in that thing was a huge victory for me. Topped only by the endurance race I won on deteriorating tires by slowing down on the last lap to let the time run out before crossing the start/finish so I wouldn't have to go another lap, ate a 35 second lead down to less than ten. Tuning my GT40 was another passion project on GT...I need to get a system again...

[Costa Fierro]

GM CEO: Our sedans are still significant but declining

I still see GM's operating on the "see what Ford's doing and do the complete opposite". In this case I think that while their sedan line ups are declining, I don't believe GM is stupid enough to follow Ford and abandon them completely because "muh profitability". GM's profitable now, it has no reason to do so.

[Aboveland]

Any one have a car they 'discovered' through video games. Not necessarily a car you've never heard of, but developed a fondness for because it got you through on an addition of Forza or GT.

I have two, one more likely than the other. The first GT I lost my memory card and had to start over. Having already made it pretty far I was rushing through the game. Which means I was taking trophy cars and leapfrogging through the challenges. At one point I acquired an unassuming WRX wagon. That wagon was fine against other cars in its class and I had gotten used to the way it cornered and liked the all wheel drive, so I kept modifying it. Soon it was in races against Camaros and Mustangs and Vipers and Corvettes. I had a strict 'no racing tires until the race modification' rule for no reason so it was drifting widely through the turns with the engined tuned past the tires. Still was winning because it was a video game. Started saying things like "Wave to my dog as I pass you!" and "OUTTA THE WAY! I bought ice cream at the store and it's a hot day!" Then I race modified it and it took me through three of the four core series in the original GT. I think I got it by winning the first in a Miata.

The second is my '67 Cougar XR7 from I think GT 2 or 3. For some reason I just kept obsessively dialing that bastard in until it actually handled well and I could stomp on the gas without losing the rear end entirely. It was painted a cool dark blue that the computer tells me was purple and I thought it looked pimp as hell in the replays.

So every once in a while I see an early WRX wagon or old Cougar and think I might be interested then remind myself that it won't be the video game car and I certainly won't be able to drive it the way I did.

Oh boy I have quite a few.

Most notable might be the Escort RS1600 from Assetto Corsa. As a rally nut I never understood the appeal it had, as it looked just like any other car, and when prompted to choose it in any rally game I'd usually go for the way cooler looking Lancia Stratos in its same class. But one attempt at lapping the Nordschleife in AC later I was completely hooked on it, drifting it like a madman and recovering from every slide because it was just so easy to drive, and sounded insanely good. I've recently started trying out the Porsche 911 GT Cup or whatever its called and it drives so beautifully I might have fallen in love with it too.

[Todlichebujoku]

Any one have a car they 'discovered' through video games. Not necessarily a car you've never heard of, but developed a fondness for because it got you through on an addition of Forza or GT.

I have two, one more likely than the other. The first GT I lost my memory card and had to start over. Having already made it pretty far I was rushing through the game. Which means I was taking trophy cars and leapfrogging through the challenges. At one point I acquired an unassuming WRX wagon. That wagon was fine against other cars in its class and I had gotten used to the way it cornered and liked the all wheel drive, so I kept modifying it. Soon it was in races against Camaros and Mustangs and Vipers and Corvettes. I had a strict 'no racing tires until the race modification' rule for no reason so it was drifting widely through the turns with the engined tuned past the tires. Still was winning because it was a video game. Started saying things like "Wave to my dog as I pass you!" and "OUTTA THE WAY! I bought ice cream at the store and it's a hot day!" Then I race modified it and it took me through three of the four core series in the original GT. I think I got it by winning the first in a Miata.

The second is my '67 Cougar XR7 from I think GT 2 or 3. For some reason I just kept obsessively dialing that bastard in until it actually handled well and I could stomp on the gas without losing the rear end entirely. It was painted a cool dark blue that the computer tells me was purple and I thought it looked pimp as hell in the replays.

So every once in a while I see an early WRX wagon or old Cougar and think I might be interested then remind myself that it won't be the video game car and I certainly won't be able to drive it the way I did.

The BMW M6 in Real Racing 2 and Asphalt 7 comes to mind, as a powerful if large car. In RR2 especially it had this great throaty note going on that I loved to listen to, and in Asphalt it was incredibly fast and fun. RR2 also introduced me to the Jaguar XKR, which had this incredible rumble in the game. (in contrast to the Scirocco R, which carried me through a good chunk of the game but had an exhaust note that became incredibly annoying over time)

The Lamborghini Murcielago SV was just about the fastest car in Asphalt 7 and also highly controllable for me, so it quickly became one of my favorites.

The ~2006 Audi RS4 was my go-to in NFS World, it was a great drag racer and carried me through nearly the entire game, being my second car or so. Sure, it turned like a huge lead brick, but it was fun to roam about in nonetheless. Eventually I got the full bodykit on it and it looked like a proper racer.
Whether in the base, S4, or RS4 variant, it's the one I see most often in real life and remember driving it in game. I wouldn't go out of my way to buy one unless I was incredibly wealthy, but probably wouldn't turn it down if it came up in the right situation.

[Vassenor]

People who want sedans don't usually go to Ford or GM, they buy a Honda or Toyota instead, but even the Accord faces tight competition from the CRV.

Ultimately, my concern is how the used car market will look like in the next decades, and what will be new.

Used car market is already looking pretty sweet. With automakers focusing heavily on leases along with consumers, there is a flood of slightly used cars on the market right now. Which does beg the question in more than a few cases... why buy new when you can buy slightly used for far less?

As for actual car selection... Hope you don't mind choosing between a crossover, a crossover, a SUV, or a lifted wagon.

...I was wondering why the used car place I was looking at had a flood of cars that were less than a year old and under 10K miles, and often still under warranty. I expected the place to be all ex-fleet and ex-rental cars.

[Roberto Luongo]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

Chevrolet Spark. Small and compact, but also durable and strong. The metal with which the car is made is strong, compared to those of other country's brands.

[NeoOasis]

“The company’s success to date would not have been possible if the board was led by another director lacking Elon Musk’s day-to-day exposure,” claimed the board in a statement.

Company's successes? Like how they successfully have avoided turning a consistent profit since being founded? Poor build quality and missing deadlines multiple times? Is the board drinking the kool-aid as well?

Not that my opinion matters as I'm not a shareholder, but there will be a point where those people will become displeased with Tesla, and make it known.

Now as a consumer... Tesla can drive itself into bankruptcy for all I care. The build quality issues as well as compromises the Model 3 decided on has made me less of a fan.

[Petrolheadia]

Imagine it's 2012. You're a stockbroker in New York, and you're looking for a very small car to easily get around the city in, as opposed to the Jaguar XJ and Porsche Boxster you have. You want it to be as "competent" as it gets.

The options are:
- Mini Cooper Hatch,
- Fiat 500 hatchback,
- Scion iQ,
- Chevrolet Spark,
- Smart Fortwo Brabus solid roof.

Which one would you buy? I'd get the Mini.

Chevrolet Spark. Small and compact, but also durable and strong. The metal with which the car is made is strong, compared to those of other country's brands.

SHEUVY RYNS DYYP!

[Petrolheadia]

After Tesla sent the Roadster to space, Skoda had to send a Superb to Mars.

[Freezic Vast]

After Tesla sent the Roadster to space, Skoda had to send a Superb to Mars.

And I bet that will go well, by which I mean it won't.

[Petrolheadia]

After Tesla sent the Roadster to space, Skoda had to send a Superb to Mars.

And I bet that will go well, by which I mean it won't.

They've already gone back.

I guess you haven't seen the video, have you?