8values Political Test Thread #2

[Ascysia]

Moderate Conservative

Why is my diplomatic axis so high. it makes me look like an isolationist, when in fact I'm an ultra-globalist. Test is stupid. Other axis' are okay but all my foreign policy related answers were pro-multilateral institutions and pro-war...

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Moderate Conservative

Why is my diplomatic axis so high. it makes me look like an isolationist, when in fact I'm an ultra-globalist. Test is stupid. Other axis' are okay but all my foreign policy related answers were pro-multilateral institutions and pro-war...

Because invading people and making them do what you want benefits your nation, not the world.

[Ascysia]

Moderate Conservative

Why is my diplomatic axis so high. it makes me look like an isolationist, when in fact I'm an ultra-globalist. Test is stupid. Other axis' are okay but all my foreign policy related answers were pro-multilateral institutions and pro-war...

Because invading people and making them do what you want benefits your nation, not the world.

Invading third world communist/fascist/evil dictators benefits the world

[Cekoviu]

Because invading people and making them do what you want benefits your nation, not the world.

Invading third world communist/fascist/evil dictators benefits the world

Objectively, no.

[Ascysia]

Invading third world communist/fascist/evil dictators benefits the world

Objectively, no.

So you're fine with dictators killing people got it

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Objectively, no.

So you're fine with dictators killing people got it

And you're fine with the American military killing civilians?

[Ascysia]

So you're fine with dictators killing people got it

And you're fine with the American military killing civilians?

collateral damage in the fight for a good cause
i dont care, basically

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And you're fine with the American military killing civilians?

collateral damage in the fight for a good cause
i dont care, basically

And herein lies the problem

[Ascysia]

collateral damage in the fight for a good cause
i dont care, basically

And herein lies the problem

But it isn't a problem. They're dying for a good cause.

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And herein lies the problem

But it isn't a problem. They're dying for a good cause.

Innocents dying isn't a problem to you? Tell me, would you be as apathetic if the innocents in question were Americans?

[Cekoviu]

Objectively, no.

So you're fine with dictators killing people got it

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

[Ceolophysia]

And herein lies the problem

But it isn't a problem. They're dying for a good cause.

Civilians aren't dying for a good cause, they're dying for recklessness on the part of the ones who are supposed to die for a good cause. Civilians are innocent of the crimes of their governments and shouldn't be punished for them, whether accidentally or not.

[Ascysia]

But it isn't a problem. They're dying for a good cause.

Innocents dying isn't a problem to you? Tell me, would you be as apathetic if the innocents in question were Americans?

I'm not American. America has no reason to be invaded. It's a free democracy.

But it isn't a problem. They're dying for a good cause.

Civilians aren't dying for a good cause, they're dying for recklessness on the part of the ones who are supposed to die for a good cause. Civilians are innocent of the crimes of their governments and shouldn't be punished for them, whether accidentally or not.

If its accidental it isn't punishment.

So you're fine with dictators killing people got it

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

Its what you implied.

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Innocents dying isn't a problem to you? Tell me, would you be as apathetic if the innocents in question were Americans?

I'm not American. America has no reason to be invaded. It's a free democracy.

Your country then.

[Ascysia]

I'm not American. America has no reason to be invaded. It's a free democracy.

Your country then.

My country is a free democracy too.

[Ceolophysia]

Civilians aren't dying for a good cause, they're dying for recklessness on the part of the ones who are supposed to die for a good cause. Civilians are innocent of the crimes of their governments and shouldn't be punished for them, whether accidentally or not.

If its accidental it isn't punishment.

No innocents should die anyway, whether it fits your narrow definition of punishment or not.

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Your country then.

My country is a free democracy too.

What country? And that doesn't answer my question either.

[Ascysia]

My country is a free democracy too.

What country? And that doesn't answer my question either.

UK

If its accidental it isn't punishment.

No innocents should die anyway, whether it fits your narrow definition of punishment or not.

Absolutely. Which is why we need regime change in every dictatorship/corrupt faux-"democracy" to stop them from dying.

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What country? And that doesn't answer my question either.

UK

No innocents should die anyway, whether it fits your narrow definition of punishment or not.

Absolutely. Which is why we need regime change in every dictatorship/corrupt faux-"democracy" to stop them from dying.

Stop them from dying... by killing them.
Also, still didn't answer my question.

[Ceolophysia]

No innocents should die anyway, whether it fits your narrow definition of punishment or not.

Absolutely. Which is why we need regime change in every dictatorship/corrupt faux-"democracy" to stop them from dying.

You know, it really doesn't matter who's killing innocents, whether it's "for a good cause" or not. If we can overthrow those dictatorships and install a stable government without killing civilians, then I'm all for it, but the way it's been done recently does not fit those criteria, so I'm not for it.

[Chameliya]

Social liberalism which funnily enough is the political identity with which I most strongly feel in alingment.

[Polyspastonia]

Libertarian Socialist, which fits well - it's the ideology stated in my sig after all.

[The Liberated Territories]

Closest Match: Libertarian Capitalism

A lot of these questions though either unsatisfactory to me or otherwise carry enough caveats that I cannot easily answer them at face value. For example, "A hierarchal state is best" supposes that I believe in the existence of a "state" in the first place, otherwise I'd have no way to answer that. (N.B. I think states should have the same structure as militaries in which they should be hierarchical in the sense that they promote efficiency, but that hierarchy should not shield them from say, subordinates doing what is right over what is expected of them.)

Additionally, It does feel like this test has been written by someone with center-left viewpoints, since the test implies that opposition to internationalism is nationalism, when that usually isn't the case for a lot of libertarians, anarchists, or even typical right-wingers.

It's essentially the same with Spekr except opposite. Many of these tests which claim to be value-neutral aren't really so.

[Cekoviu]

Closest Match: Libertarian Capitalism

A lot of these questions though either unsatisfactory to me or otherwise carry enough caveats that I cannot easily answer them at face value. For example, "A hierarchal state is best" supposes that I believe in the existence of a "state" in the first place, otherwise I'd have no way to answer that. (N.B. I think states should have the same structure as militaries in which they should be hierarchical in the sense that they promote efficiency, but that hierarchy should not shield them from say, subordinates doing what is right over what is expected of them.)

Additionally, It does feel like this test has been written by someone with center-left viewpoints, since the test implies that opposition to internationalism is nationalism, when that usually isn't the case for a lot of libertarians, anarchists, or even typical right-wingers.

It's essentially the same with Spekr except opposite. Many of these tests which claim to be value-neutral aren't really so.

Idea: To avoid political bias, average the results of Spekr and 8values.

[Aillyria]

Innocents dying isn't a problem to you? Tell me, would you be as apathetic if the innocents in question were Americans?

I'm not American. America has no reason to be invaded. It's a free democracy.

Civilians aren't dying for a good cause, they're dying for recklessness on the part of the ones who are supposed to die for a good cause. Civilians are innocent of the crimes of their governments and shouldn't be punished for them, whether accidentally or not.

If its accidental it isn't punishment.

Yes, that's exactly what I said.

Its what you implied.

Hardly.