8values Political Test Thread #2

[Tobleste]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.8&s=75.7

Social liberal. Social, Peaceful, Liberal and Very Progressive.

[Martian Alliance]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.8&s=81.1

Libertarian Socialism

[Anollasia]

Libertarian socialist

Answered neutral/unsure for a lot of them so it may not be accurate. Last time I got social liberal or something like that, which I think is more accurate.

[Telconi]

Liberalism, about what I expected to get.

[Destructive Government Economic System]

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 2.3&s=67.5

Social Liberalism.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

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Liberalism, about what I expected to get.

I always figured you were more of a (non-Right) Libertarian ideologue.

Closest Match: Libertarian Capitalism

A lot of these questions though either unsatisfactory to me or otherwise carry enough caveats that I cannot easily answer them at face value. For example, "A hierarchal state is best" supposes that I believe in the existence of a "state" in the first place, otherwise I'd have no way to answer that. (N.B. I think states should have the same structure as militaries in which they should be hierarchical in the sense that they promote efficiency, but that hierarchy should not shield them from say, subordinates doing what is right over what is expected of them.)

Additionally, It does feel like this test has been written by someone with center-left viewpoints, since the test implies that opposition to internationalism is nationalism, when that usually isn't the case for a lot of libertarians, anarchists, or even typical right-wingers.

It's essentially the same with Spekr except opposite. Many of these tests which claim to be value-neutral aren't really so.

Idea: To avoid political bias, average the results of Spekr and 8values.

I tried Spekr once but didn't like how I could see how my answers influenced my score as I was taking the test. Maybe I should take the test without paying attention to the left half of the screen?

[Cekoviu]

I tried Spekr once but didn't like how I could see how my answers influenced my score as I was taking the test. Maybe I should take the test without paying attention to the left half of the screen?

I think the score-influence thing was somehow supposed to erase bias. I'm fine with it myself, but I can see how some might find it annoying.

[Ceolophysia]

Took it again, got Neo-Liberalism. I think Neo-Liberalism is Classical liberalism + extra nationalism according to 8values, and I disagree with that classification. Neo-Liberalism is usually used to describe more globalist capitalism rather than less globalist, so I feel like a more accurate term would probably be "National Liberalism."

[Ascysia]

Took it again, got Neo-Liberalism. I think Neo-Liberalism is Classical liberalism + extra nationalism according to 8values, and I disagree with that classification. Neo-Liberalism is usually used to describe more globalist capitalism rather than less globalist, so I feel like a more accurate term would probably be "National Liberalism."

What you're thinking of is second-wave neoliberalism, or the third-way. Neoliberalism by itself is simply the resurgence of market liberalism.

[Ceolophysia]

What you're thinking of is second-wave neoliberalism, or the third-way. Neoliberalism by itself is simply the resurgence of market liberalism.

Then why is there a Classical Liberalism? If Neo-Liberalism is just a modern variant of Classical Liberalism, why should any modern market liberal ideologues be called "Classical Liberal" at all?

[The Liberated Territories]

Took it again, got Neo-Liberalism. I think Neo-Liberalism is Classical liberalism + extra nationalism according to 8values, and I disagree with that classification. Neo-Liberalism is usually used to describe more globalist capitalism rather than less globalist, so I feel like a more accurate term would probably be "National Liberalism."

Neoliberalism is essentially centrist liberalism, the ideology of the Washington consensus.

Classical liberalism refers to the type of liberalism practiced before that. The ideology today that closely advocates for older liberal economic policies is libertarianism. Although, even in the 19th century there were moderate and radical factions, the difference between Gladstone and Spencer.

[Ceolophysia]

Neoliberalism is essentially centrist liberalism, the ideology of the Washington consensus.

Classical liberalism refers to the type of liberalism practiced before that. The ideology today that closely advocates for older liberal economic policies is libertarianism. Although, even in the 19th century there were moderate and radical factions, the difference between Gladstone and Spencer.

Explain how

• 79.9% Markets
• 61.2% Nation
• 62.3% Liberty
• 55% Progress

screams "Washington Establishment".

[The Liberated Territories]

Neoliberalism is essentially centrist liberalism, the ideology of the Washington consensus.

Classical liberalism refers to the type of liberalism practiced before that. The ideology today that closely advocates for older liberal economic policies is libertarianism. Although, even in the 19th century there were moderate and radical factions, the difference between Gladstone and Spencer.

Explain how

• 79.9% Markets
• 61.2% Nation
• 62.3% Liberty
• 55% Progress

screams "Washington Establishment".

8values is flawed, you can only get "Anarcho-Capitalist" if you score 100% liberty and 100% markets. The other scores don't matter.

If you move your nation score to internationalism, you'll find that neoliberal designation goes away...despite "neoliberalism" being more internationalist than nationalist (NB: perhaps that score would make more sense as "neo-conservativism")

[Ceolophysia]

8values is flawed, you can only get "Anarcho-Capitalist" if you score 100% liberty and 100% markets. The other scores don't matter.

If you move your nation score to internationalism, you'll find that neoliberal designation goes away...despite "neoliberalism" being more internationalist than nationalist (NB: perhaps that score would make more sense as "neo-conservativism")

The problem is that I moved from Classical Liberalism to Neoliberal because of an increased nationalism score. I really don't think neocon is Classical Liberalism + Nationalism.

[Demitor]

I always seem to get either Autocracy or Nationalist even though i manage to get Centrist on Trad/Prog scores most of the time.

https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=54.3&d=12.8&g=13.8&s=39.9

[Molonia]

Libertarian Socialism

https://8values.github.io/results.html? ... 8.5&s=91.0

[De Almerland]

Centrist apparently.

https://i.imgur.com/oMFeJBP.png

A more up to date evrsion: https://i.imgur.com/NpYzZbF.png