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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 7:40 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:
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Me too. You're not the only one.

Show me where I deny that. Stop being defensive.


You literally asked me to change my sig just because you don't agree with it. Stop acting clownish man
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 7:41 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:The war on Humanity and Civilization that Islam started the moment it got out of its cocoon, of course. What made you think it ever stopped?


Stop moaning about christian casualties then.
What made you think I moaned about Christian Casualties? Your enemies aren't christians. Your enemy is every site of civilization that Islam could find on its borders. It's why you invaded India, Persia, Iberia, Northern Africa, Eastern Europe, The Middle East, and tried to invade China, etc.
But pretending that the actions of Muslims like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other scum like them is a reaction, when you STARTED all of this without ever paying the reparations is just hypocrisy that I never cease to expect from people like you.
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Postby Gospel Power » Wed May 30, 2018 7:42 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:Islam isn't inherently anti-white. Not that I think anyone should follow its tenets, but it's a universal religion nowadays; Some people of white complexion adhere ardently to Islam while many people of black complexion heed fervently the Christian creed.

Who cares? I just don't want them to force others to be Muslim's and try always to expend into Europe
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Wed May 30, 2018 7:43 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Islam isn't inherently anti-white. Not that I think anyone should follow its tenets, but it's a universal religion nowadays; Some people of white complexion adhere ardently to Islam while many people of black complexion heed fervently the Christian creed.

Who cares? I just don't want them to force others to be Muslim's and try always to expend into Europe

No one is forcing people to become Muslim. Even if they do that - it's haraam and their conversion is not accepted in the eyes of God.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 7:43 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
Stop moaning about christian casualties then.
What made you think I moaned about Christian Casualties? Your enemies aren't christians. Your enemy is every site of civilization that Islam could find on its borders. It's why you invaded India, Persia, Iberia, Northern Africa, Eastern Europe, The Middle East, and tried to invade China, etc.
But pretending that the actions of Muslims like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other scum like them is a reaction, when you STARTED all of this without ever paying the reparations is just hypocrisy that I never cease to expect from people like you.


FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 7:45 am

Gospel Power wrote:
Western-Ukraine wrote:Islam isn't inherently anti-white. Not that I think anyone should follow its tenets, but it's a universal religion nowadays; Some people of white complexion adhere ardently to Islam while many people of black complexion heed fervently the Christian creed.

Who cares? I just don't want them to force others to be Muslim's and try always to expend into Europe

But you didn't mind it when the Christians did the same thing, did you? If the Christians got the right to do that, why shouldn't the Muslims? They're both Middle Eastern reactionary ideologies built on domination after all.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 7:46 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:What made you think I moaned about Christian Casualties? Your enemies aren't christians. Your enemy is every site of civilization that Islam could find on its borders. It's why you invaded India, Persia, Iberia, Northern Africa, Eastern Europe, The Middle East, and tried to invade China, etc.
But pretending that the actions of Muslims like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other scum like them is a reaction, when you STARTED all of this without ever paying the reparations is just hypocrisy that I never cease to expect from people like you.


FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.
As a reaction to an act of Terror that was carried out by people in Afghanistan and Iraq that the governments refused to give up to be punished. Yes. If you harbor homicidal terrorists such as Al-Qaeda, you deserve to be obliterated until you learn to give them up.
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Postby Western-Ukraine » Wed May 30, 2018 7:48 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Gospel Power wrote:Who cares? I just don't want them to force others to be Muslim's and try always to expend into Europe

But you didn't mind it when the Christians did the same thing, did you? If the Christians got the right to do that, why shouldn't the Muslims? They're both Middle Eastern reactionary ideologies built on domination after all.

That is, if you believe that religions must be considered equally. If one believes that Christianity is morally superior, then Muslims have no equivalent entitlement to proselytize by the sabre.
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 7:48 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.
As a reaction to an act of Terror that was carried out by people in Afghanistan and Iraq that the governments refused to give up to be punished. Yes. If you harbor homicidal terrorists such as Al-Qaeda, you deserve to be obliterated until you learn to give them up.


The US is harboring White Supremacist terrorists, but this doesn't mean the world has a right to kill American people just because of that. Your mentality is a Nazi mentality. Stop calling yourself libertarian. You are not libertarian, you are a Nazi.

The Taliban and Saddam had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed May 30, 2018 7:49 am

Western-Ukraine wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:But you didn't mind it when the Christians did the same thing, did you? If the Christians got the right to do that, why shouldn't the Muslims? They're both Middle Eastern reactionary ideologies built on domination after all.

That is, if you believe that religions must be considered equally. If one believes that Christianity is morally superior, then Muslims have no equivalent entitlement to proselytize by the sabre.
Well. Yes. but that would be hypocrisy and that is something I totally don't expect from a person following an Abrahamic creed.
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Postby Uxupox » Wed May 30, 2018 7:52 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:What made you think I moaned about Christian Casualties? Your enemies aren't christians. Your enemy is every site of civilization that Islam could find on its borders. It's why you invaded India, Persia, Iberia, Northern Africa, Eastern Europe, The Middle East, and tried to invade China, etc.
But pretending that the actions of Muslims like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other scum like them is a reaction, when you STARTED all of this without ever paying the reparations is just hypocrisy that I never cease to expect from people like you.


FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.


this is so wrong i can't even comprehend.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 10:03 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:
So, what do you think of SA?


It's too moderate.


Yep, found the radical.

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Postby Jackania yugo » Wed May 30, 2018 10:11 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
It's too moderate.


Yep, found the radical.


And he has the audacity to call me one. You can tell right from his sig that he's the type that the anti-islamists see as all Muslims.
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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 10:14 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:
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What the hell is that term? A female Muslim?

Yes, it means female Muslim.

Khataiy wrote:Im pretty sure most would call that Bidah

It's not actually. Nowhere is it said that an imam should be explicitly from the tribe of Muhammed saws or an Arab for that matter.

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I could barely get myself to attend my communion/confirmation courses (it's less of a religious duty and more of a tradition in my family to do your communion and confirmation), let alone pray five times a day.

One prayer just takes around three to four minutes, it's not that much. It's the time of an Youtube video.


Oh, so a prayer takes about three to four minutes?

It's about the same span of time as a cigarette break or a bathroom break, so if one retires to pray for a few minutes and comes back, it's not intrusive whatsoever, and thus literally nobody will mind you retiring to pray (I mean, I tolerate people who retire every 30 minutes to have a smoke, I might as well have tolerance for a Muslim taking a few minutes to pray about twice in an average work shift).

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Postby Western Vale Confederacy » Wed May 30, 2018 10:23 am

Jackania yugo wrote:
Western Vale Confederacy wrote:
Yep, found the radical.


And he has the audacity to call me one. You can tell right from his sig that he's the type that the anti-islamists see as all Muslims.


A radical Islamist is no better than the extreme Islamophobes he claims to denounce. It's sad, because radicals such as him encourages the growth of Islamophobia, and drags down Muslims who just want to live their lives into this mess.

Why can't these radicals take note of the five "Stans"? Most of them are Muslim-majority (non-denominational, so they do not argue over petty divisions), SECULAR nations with relatively well off economies, almost no Western influence, and thriving cultures.

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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 10:31 am

Looks like I missed some fun shit. Who wants to bet that Oceania is just Shurjah as a new nation?
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 10:33 am

Western Vale Confederacy wrote:Why can't these radicals take note of the five "Stans"? Most of them are Muslim-majority (non-denominational, so they do not argue over petty divisions), SECULAR nations with relatively well off economies, almost no Western influence, and thriving cultures.


If you mean the Central Asia countries, they are bloodthirsty dictatorships, and they are puppets of either USA or Russia. No thanks.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 10:33 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:What made you think I moaned about Christian Casualties? Your enemies aren't christians. Your enemy is every site of civilization that Islam could find on its borders. It's why you invaded India, Persia, Iberia, Northern Africa, Eastern Europe, The Middle East, and tried to invade China, etc.
But pretending that the actions of Muslims like ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other scum like them is a reaction, when you STARTED all of this without ever paying the reparations is just hypocrisy that I never cease to expect from people like you.


FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.

I'll tell you what war means. War means not explicitly targeting civilians. This is echoed by your own Abu Bakr when he said:

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 30, 2018 10:33 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Looks like I missed some fun shit. Who wants to bet that Oceania is just Shurjah as a new nation?

Firstly, I'm pretty sure betting is Haram. Somebody enlighten me on that.

Secondly, I'm not Muslim so I bet money it's somebody's Summer house.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 30, 2018 10:34 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.

I'll tell you what war means. War means not explicitly targeting civilians.

That's where you're wrong, kinder. *Finger lugers*
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 10:35 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Looks like I missed some fun shit. Who wants to bet that Oceania is just Shurjah as a new nation?

Firstly, I'm pretty sure betting is Haram. Somebody enlighten me on that.

Secondly, I'm not Muslim so I bet money it's somebody's Summer house.

I'm not Muslim either, so who cares?
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Postby United States of Oceania » Wed May 30, 2018 10:35 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
United States of Oceania wrote:
FYI the NATO invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was started by Christians. You can't pretend the West can kill entire Muslim families and rape Muslim women without facing some reaction from Muslims. It's called war, go look up what war means.

I'll tell you what war means. War means not explicitly targeting civilians. This is echoed by your own Abu Bakr when he said:

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."


The only one who supports killing civilians here is Pilarcraft, by defending US war crimes.
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 10:35 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I'll tell you what war means. War means not explicitly targeting civilians.

That's where you're wrong, kinder. *Finger lugers*

I wouldn't expect any less from you, Pret. :hug:
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed May 30, 2018 10:37 am

United States of Oceania wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:I'll tell you what war means. War means not explicitly targeting civilians. This is echoed by your own Abu Bakr when he said:

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."


The only one who supports killing civilians here is Pilarcraft, by defending US war crimes.

And you're defending the Muslims' retaliation. You're not better so don't pretend so.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 30, 2018 10:37 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Firstly, I'm pretty sure betting is Haram. Somebody enlighten me on that.

Secondly, I'm not Muslim so I bet money it's somebody's Summer house.

I'm not Muslim either, so who cares?

I honestly thought you were.
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