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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:34 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Frievolk wrote:Do I need to? You make it clear whether or not it is true very very faster by your own posts than I would by calling you out. Though, then again, apart from like, 2 or 3 exceptions, this thread has become the very definition of an echo chamber for people like you so what's the point?


Find a post where i was a misogynist.

I think it's pretty clear he's calling you one. :p
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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:34 pm

If Freivolk doesn't prove his accusation that I am a misogynist* I will accuse him of libel.

*noun: a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.
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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:35 pm

Saranidia wrote:If Freivolk doesn't prove his accusation that I am a misogynist* I will accuse him of libel.

*noun: a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.

Eh, bro. Try not to personally attack other players.
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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:37 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Saranidia wrote:If Freivolk doesn't prove his accusation that I am a misogynist* I will accuse him of libel.

*noun: a person who dislikes, despises, or is strongly prejudiced against women.

Eh, bro. Try not to personally attack other players.
I am not personally attacking them.
I am calling them out on false implied accusations.
I am a Muslim and a gentleman.
Mostly represents my views but what I think a Middle Eastern nation should do which will be sometimes different to what I think a western nation should do(because the people have different needs in different places)

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:39 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Eh, bro. Try not to personally attack other players.
I am not personally attacking them.
I am calling them out on false implied accusations.
I am a Muslim and a gentleman.

Well, still. You assumed Frievolk would call you one. But he seems not to be interested.
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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:40 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Saranidia wrote:I am not personally attacking them.
I am calling them out on false implied accusations.
I am a Muslim and a gentleman.

Well, still. You assumed Frievolk would call you one. But he seems not to be interested.

Well he has time to deny it.
Mostly represents my views but what I think a Middle Eastern nation should do which will be sometimes different to what I think a western nation should do(because the people have different needs in different places)

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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:42 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Well, still. You assumed Frievolk would call you one. But he seems not to be interested.

Well he has time to deny it.

Eh, maybe.
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Sahansahiye Iran
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:10 pm

Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:10 pm

Saranidia, welcome to the club of being accused of being/saying something which you didn't say or do. I'm the club's founder :)
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:11 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."

I don't see him main any assumptions.
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Sahansahiye Iran
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:13 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."

I don't see him main any assumptions.

He assumed Pilar would call him a misogynist. Twice, in fact.
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Jolthig
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:13 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."

I don't see him main any assumptions.

Here you guys both go again.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:15 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I don't see him main any assumptions.

He assumed Pilar would call him a misogynist. Twice, in fact.

Where?
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Sahansahiye Iran
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:17 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:He assumed Pilar would call him a misogynist. Twice, in fact.

Where?

Sweet Isa. Read back. It's less than a page.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441628&start=9625#p35216896

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441628&p=35211619#p35211619

Pilar wasn't even involved in the discussion up to that point. All Sara was doing was assuming Pilar would say so and baiting him into doing so.
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:21 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Where?

Sweet Isa. Read back. It's less than a page.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441628&start=9625#p35216896

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441628&p=35211619#p35211619

Pilar wasn't even involved in the discussion up to that point. All Sara was doing was assuming Pilar would say so and baiting him into doing so.

I'm not seeing here he assumed Pilar called him that. He said "he hasn't called me a misogynist".
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:24 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Sweet Isa. Read back. It's less than a page.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441628&start=9625#p35216896

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=441628&p=35211619#p35211619

Pilar wasn't even involved in the discussion up to that point. All Sara was doing was assuming Pilar would say so and baiting him into doing so.

I'm not seeing here he assumed Pilar called him that. He said "he hasn't called me a misogynist".

*sigh* Am I going to have to break this one down for you, also? Jesus.

Sara said something. He assumed Pilar would call him misogynistic by saying "I wonder if Frievolk will call me a misogynist" or whatever. You don't say something like that unless you expect and assume it is going to happen.

Like, if I say "I wonder if Amin is going to defend domestic abuse today". I'm assuming that you are going to do that.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:29 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I'm not seeing here he assumed Pilar called him that. He said "he hasn't called me a misogynist".

*sigh* Am I going to have to break this one down for you, also? Jesus.

Sara said something. He assumed Pilar would call him misogynistic by saying "I wonder if Frievolk will call me a misogynist" or whatever. You don't say something like that unless you expect and assume it is going to happen.

Like, if I say "I wonder if Amin is going to defend domestic abuse today". I'm assuming that you are going to do that.

Ok, that makes sense.
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Samudera Darussalam
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:10 pm

Jolthig wrote:Here you guys both go again.

Well, why don't we both grab some meals and watch how this unfold? :p

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:52 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Here you guys both go again.

Well, why don't we both grab some meals and watch how this unfold? :p

I drank coffee the entire time lol.

Alright guys, I'll be logging off of NS for my usual indefinite time.
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Postby Zizou » Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:53 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin.

^ Another reason to not engage in Takfir, going back to our conversation a few days ago.
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 pm

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."


^

Cool it down, Saranidia.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:10 pm

Jolthig wrote:I drank coffee the entire time lol.

Alright guys, I'll be logging off of NS for my usual indefinite time.

While I'm waiting for breakfast to show up :p
Okay, take care.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Thu Jan 24, 2019 7:29 am

Zizou wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin.

^ Another reason to not engage in Takfir, going back to our conversation a few days ago.

Yes, we should be very careful with it.
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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:16 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

"O you who have believed, avoid much [negative] assumption. Indeed, some assumption is sin. And do not spy or backbite each other. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his brother when dead? You would detest it. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is Accepting of repentance and Merciful."

Interesting so Islam forbids prejudice.

I believe "do not spy or backbite" also forbids snitching in many cases.
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Saranidia
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Postby Saranidia » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:18 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Saranidia, welcome to the club of being accused of being/saying something which you didn't say or do. I'm the club's founder :)

ok thank you for the brotherhood
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Copy this into your sig if you know sex and gender are different and did not fail biology.

RIP grandpa kitchen

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