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What denomination of Islam are you part of?

Sunni Islam
121
30%
Sunni Islam (Salafism)
16
4%
Shia Islam
29
7%
Quranist
9
2%
Ahmadiyya
4
1%
Zaydi
8
2%
Ibadist
4
1%
Sufism
22
6%
I do not ascribe to any sect, just call me a Muslim
68
17%
Other
118
30%
 
Total votes : 399

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A m e n r i a
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Postby A m e n r i a » Mon Jan 21, 2019 6:30 pm

Saranidia wrote:Im sure it’s not haram to marry Deists.
If they believe in God, don’t worship multiple gods and don’t have bad morals then ok.
You emphasised the word that, what is bad about her?
You also said it was hopeless but I can give you advice Inshallah.
And Allah knows best.


Well..she has her flaws, including the fact that she enjoys..ahem..the art of psychological warfare..

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:Depends on the madhhab. Some say you can't eat shrimp. Some say you can.

But overall, no predatory animals, no scavenger birds, no horses, nothing containing pork products (most gelatin, for instance), and no animals that weren't slaughtered properly.

Woa, but I think horse meat is halal, since as far as I know, it doesn't mentioned as being haram. But maybe you got another source?




Hehe, anyway semangat A m e n r i a :p !

Edited: Sorry Am, it seems that I misspelled your nation's name.


Terima kasih gan, gpp kok gk pake spasi jg, itu negara ane waktu sma mangkanya hasilnya masih ampas wkwk
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Postby Khataiy » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:58 pm

Samudera Darussalam wrote:@Sahansiye Iran -

Well, I just did some research and yeah, there are multiple opinions on this matter. Apparently some opinions said that horse meat is either makrooh or mubah. I also read this one hadith:

"It was narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abd-Allaah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: On the day of Khaybar, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade eating the flesh of domestic donkeys, but he granted a concession with regard to horses."
Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3982; Muslim, 1941.

I also read that shrimp is considered as 'makrooh' in the Hanafi school of thought, but so are onions (?).
Maybe some Hanafis can clarify this?




@Geneviev -

Just read again, and sorry for the late response. Apparently frogs are also considered as haram by some.

/Not a Hanafi, but, I have heard the reason Imam Azam Abu Hanifa (RH) forbade the consumption of horses and camels was because he said they are useful for warfare and should be reserved be for utility usage only, however this is obviously no longer applicable and the other Imams of Fiqh have disagreed in this regard as well and of course we have the saying of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وعلى آله وسلم )

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Postby Saranidia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 8:57 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Im sure it’s not haram to marry Deists.
If they believe in God, don’t worship multiple gods and don’t have bad morals then ok.
You emphasised the word that, what is bad about her?
You also said it was hopeless but I can give you advice Inshallah.
And Allah knows best.


Well..she has her flaws, including the fact that she enjoys..ahem..the art of psychological warfare..

Samudera Darussalam wrote:Woa, but I think horse meat is halal, since as far as I know, it doesn't mentioned as being haram. But maybe you got another source?




Hehe, anyway semangat A m e n r i a :p !

Edited: Sorry Am, it seems that I misspelled your nation's name.


Terima kasih gan, gpp kok gk pake spasi jg, itu negara ane waktu sma mangkanya hasilnya masih ampas wkwk

“Psychological warfare” well
As a personal rule of thumb I would go for women “above suspicion”.
Sometimes siren like women can cause all kinds of problems(NOT
A misogynistic comment as I think most women are good people).
Although everyone had their faults.
I wonder if Frievolk will call me a misogynist now.
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:16 pm

Saranidia wrote:
A m e n r i a wrote:
Well..she has her flaws, including the fact that she enjoys..ahem..the art of psychological warfare..



Terima kasih gan, gpp kok gk pake spasi jg, itu negara ane waktu sma mangkanya hasilnya masih ampas wkwk

“Psychological warfare” well
As a personal rule of thumb I would go for women “above suspicion”.
Sometimes siren like women can cause all kinds of problems(NOT
A misogynistic comment as I think most women are good people).
Although everyone had their faults.
I wonder if Frievolk will call me a misogynist now.

What kind of problems?
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Postby Saranidia » Tue Jan 22, 2019 1:55 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Saranidia wrote:“Psychological warfare” well
As a personal rule of thumb I would go for women “above suspicion”.
Sometimes siren like women can cause all kinds of problems(NOT
A misogynistic comment as I think most women are good people).
Although everyone had their faults.
I wonder if Frievolk will call me a misogynist now.

What kind of problems?

Infidelity is the most common I imagine followed by false accusations.
I wasn’t talking about all women specifically the siren like ones,
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:54 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What kind of problems?

Infidelity is the most common I imagine followed by false accusations.
I wasn’t talking about all women specifically the siren like ones,

Eh, both men and women are equally responsible tbh.
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Postby Andsed » Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:25 pm

Saranidia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:What kind of problems?

Infidelity is the most common I imagine followed by false accusations.
I wasn’t talking about all women specifically the siren like ones,

What the hell is “siren” like womens?
I do be tired


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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jan 22, 2019 4:18 pm

Andsed wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Infidelity is the most common I imagine followed by false accusations.
I wasn’t talking about all women specifically the siren like ones,

What the h*ll is “siren” like womens?

I guess woemn who sbow themselves off immodestly.
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:00 pm

@ A m e n r i a

Well, if you say so :p




@ Khataiy

I see. So perhaps it's not a problem anymore. Anyway, thanks for the clarification!

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Postby Andsed » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:25 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Andsed wrote:What the h*ll is “siren” like womens?

I guess woemn who sbow themselves off immodestly.

So like ladies of the night? (need to be pg-13) Also why did you take the e out of hell when you quoted me?
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Postby Jolthig » Tue Jan 22, 2019 5:30 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess woemn who sbow themselves off immodestly.

So like ladies of the night? (need to be pg-13) Also why did you take the e out of hell when you quoted me?

The brother has a tendency to do that when quoting people who swear or "swear".
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:14 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Andsed wrote:So like ladies of the night? (need to be pg-13) Also why did you take the e out of hell when you quoted me?

The brother has a tendency to do that when quoting people who swear or "swear".

^This
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:23 pm

Andsed wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I guess woemn who sbow themselves off immodestly.

So like ladies of the night? (need to be pg-13) Also why did you take the e out of hell when you quoted me?

No swearing in my Christian NS forum! :p
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Postby A m e n r i a » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:11 am

Sahansahiye Iran wrote:
Andsed wrote:So like ladies of the night? (need to be pg-13) Also why did you take the e out of hell when you quoted me?

No swearing in my Christian NS forum! :p


Wrong thread, mate. :p
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 12:52 am

Andsed wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Infidelity is the most common I imagine followed by false accusations.
I wasn’t talking about all women specifically the siren like ones,

What the hell is “siren” like womens?

It’s a classics reference, from the Odessy
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Postby Sahansahiye Iran » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:22 am

A m e n r i a wrote:
Sahansahiye Iran wrote:No swearing in my Christian NS forum! :p


Wrong thread, mate. :p

Is it, though?
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:00 am

Saranidia wrote:
Andsed wrote:What the hell is “siren” like womens?

It’s a classics reference, from the Odyssey

*Fixed that for you

Anyway, I think he asked about the meaning of siren-like women in your statement. Maybe you can elaborate?

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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:42 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Saranidia wrote:It’s a classics reference, from the Odyssey

*Fixed that for you

Anyway, I think he asked about the meaning of siren-like women in your statement. Maybe you can elaborate?

Fixed what?
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Postby Samudera Darussalam » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:02 am

Jolthig wrote:Fixed what?

The spelling of the odyssey :p

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Postby Andsed » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:58 am

Samudera Darussalam wrote:
Saranidia wrote:It’s a classics reference, from the Odyssey

*Fixed that for you

Anyway, I think he asked about the meaning of siren-like women in your statement. Maybe you can elaborate?

Yeah I know what a siren is I know quite a bit about mythology but I don’t get what you would mean by a siren like women. I am guessing based off mythology you are talking about say ladies of the night or gold diggers.
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:21 am

Andsed wrote:
Samudera Darussalam wrote:*Fixed that for you

Anyway, I think he asked about the meaning of siren-like women in your statement. Maybe you can elaborate?

Yeah I know what a siren is I know quite a bit about mythology but I don’t get what you would mean by a siren like women. I am guessing based off mythology you are talking about say ladies of the night or gold diggers.

Essentially yes.


For those of you who don’t know
Sirens tempted sailors to sail closer and in doing so wreck their ships leading to their deaths on the rocks.
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 9:38 am

Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.
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Postby Jolthig » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:21 pm

Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

Not unless if you want to be called one by him or someone else. :p
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Postby Frievolk » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:22 pm

Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

Do I need to? You make it clear whether or not it is true very very faster by your own posts than I would by calling you out. Though, then again, apart from like, 2 or 3 exceptions, this thread has become the very definition of an echo chamber for people like you so what's the point?
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Postby Saranidia » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:32 pm

Frievolk wrote:
Saranidia wrote:Cool, Freivolk hasn’t called me a misogynist yet.

Do I need to? You make it clear whether or not it is true very very faster by your own posts than I would by calling you out. Though, then again, apart from like, 2 or 3 exceptions, this thread has become the very definition of an echo chamber for people like you so what's the point?


Find a post where i was a misogynist.
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