The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Islam historically never had any sects when it first started.

I mean, yeah. That's because it was whatever Muhammad spewed. It'd be a bit hard for him to argue with himself. But then immediately after he died, boom. Sects. It's just what happens.

That didn't happen immediately.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I mean, yeah. That's because it was whatever Muhammad spewed. It'd be a bit hard for him to argue with himself. But then immediately after he died, boom. Sects. It's just what happens.

That didn't happen immediately.

Uh... yeah, it did. I mean, depending on your definition of immediately but pretty quickly after Muhammad died, Umar pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr rather than Ali at Saqifa and shit went from there. So soon after his death, in fact, that it literally happened as they were preparing Muhammad's body for burial. How much more immediately do you want lol?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Oh, duh. I completely forgot about the Qadariyah. There's a sect for ya. One that even existed in the time of Muhammad.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That didn't happen immediately.

Uh... yeah, it did. I mean, depending on your definition of immediately but pretty quickly after Muhammad died, Umar pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr rather than Ali at Saqifa and shit went from there. So soon after his death, in fact, that it literally happened as they were preparing Muhammad's body for burial. How much more immediately do you want lol?

You said "sects" not "political differences".

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh, duh. I completely forgot about the Qadariyah. There's a sect for ya. One that even existed in the time of Muhammad.

>Looks up
AlHamdulillah they were quelled.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Uh... yeah, it did. I mean, depending on your definition of immediately but pretty quickly after Muhammad died, Umar pledged allegiance to Abu Bakr rather than Ali at Saqifa and shit went from there. So soon after his death, in fact, that it literally happened as they were preparing Muhammad's body for burial. How much more immediately do you want lol?

You said "sects" not "political differences".

Lmao that's the base of the Shia-Sunni divide. Come on.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Oh, duh. I completely forgot about the Qadariyah. There's a sect for ya. One that even existed in the time of Muhammad.

>Looks up
AlHamdulillah they were quelled.

Hell yeah. Crush all those who hold different opinions! That'll show how tolerant and accepting we are. *nods*

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You said "sects" not "political differences".

Lmao that's the base of the Shia-Sunni divide. Come on.

I know

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Lmao that's the base of the Shia-Sunni divide. Come on.

I know

Do you? My doubt grows.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

>Looks up
AlHamdulillah they were quelled.

Yeah. Crush all those who hold different opinions! That'll show how tolerant and accepting we are. *nods*

Yes, actually. Especially when it comes to religion or trying to overthrow the Khilaafah.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Hell yeah. Crush all those who hold different opinions! That'll show how tolerant and accepting we are. *nods*

Yes, actually. Especially when it comes to religion or trying to overthrow the Khilaafah.

Oh, yes. The great Qadariyah Wars, right?

[Zizou]

Yeah. Crush all those who hold different opinions! That'll show how tolerant and accepting we are. *nods*

Yes, actually. Especially when it comes to religion or trying to overthrow the Khilaafah.

I'm pretty sure that ayah doesn't say "kill everyone with a differing opinion." Yes, in this case specifically, Muhammad (SAW) said censured them because they had directly gone against what was presented in the Qur'an. However, differences in opinion are tolerated.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yes, actually. Especially when it comes to religion or trying to overthrow the Khilaafah.

I'm pretty sure that ayah doesn't say "kill everyone with a differing opinion." Yes, in this case specifically, Muhammad (SAW) said censured them because they had directly gone against what was presented in the Qur'an. However, differences in opinion are tolerated.

Well yeah I didn't actually mean "kill different opinions". Sahansiye has a tendency to stretch my posts beyond what I meant instead of asking me to clarify (and clarifying what I say is not my strong suit lol), so I just went along with/ignored it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Yes, actually. Especially when it comes to religion or trying to overthrow the Khilaafah.

Oh, yes. The great Qadariyah Wars, right?

>Looks up
I haven't found anything about this. Did you mean to say "Ridda Wars"?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I'm pretty sure that ayah doesn't say "kill everyone with a differing opinion." Yes, in this case specifically, Muhammad (SAW) said censured them because they had directly gone against what was presented in the Qur'an. However, differences in opinion are tolerated.

Well yeah I didn't actually mean "kill different opinions". Sahansiye has a tendency to stretch my posts beyond what I meant instead of asking me to clarify (and clarifying what I say is not my strong suit lol), so I just went along with/ignored it.

It's not my job to properly word your posts for you lol. You're the one with English as your native language. If you literally just post an ayah saying to kill those with differing opinions, what do you expect?

Oh, yes. The great Qadariyah Wars, right?

>Looks up
I haven't found anything about this. Did you mean to say "Ridda Wars"?

I was obviously being sarcastic. There were no Qadariyah Wars so your citation of that ayah was pointless and a weak justification for your cheering of the suppression of dissenting opinions.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well yeah I didn't actually mean "kill different opinions". Sahansiye has a tendency to stretch my posts beyond what I meant instead of asking me to clarify (and clarifying what I say is not my strong suit lol), so I just went along with/ignored it.

It's not my job to properly word your posts for you lol.

Show me where I said that.

You're the one with English as your native language.

Aren't you from the States as well?

If you literally just post an ayah saying to kill those with differing opinions

I didn't.

I was obviously being sarcastic. There were no Qadariyah Wars so your citation of that ayah was pointless and a weak justification for your cheering of the suppression of dissenting opinions.

Did you not read the post you quoted? The one where I say:

Well yeah I didn't actually mean "kill different opinions".

[Jolthig]

Islam historically never had any sects when it first started.

I mean, yeah. That's because it was whatever Muhammad spewed. It'd be a bit hard for him to argue with himself. But then immediately after he died, boom. Sects. It's just what happens.

I agree actually. It always happens after a prophet dies. It is natural.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

It's not my job to properly word your posts for you lol.

Show me where I said that.

You're the one with English as your native language.

Aren't you from the States as well?

If you literally just post an ayah saying to kill those with differing opinions

I didn't.

I was obviously being sarcastic. There were no Qadariyah Wars so your citation of that ayah was pointless and a weak justification for your cheering of the suppression of dissenting opinions.

Did you not read the post you quoted? The one where I say:

Well yeah I didn't actually mean "kill different opinions".

Then literally what was your purpose in quoting an ayah which says to fuckin kill people? Dramatic effect?

[Sahansahiye Iran]

I mean, yeah. That's because it was whatever Muhammad spewed. It'd be a bit hard for him to argue with himself. But then immediately after he died, boom. Sects. It's just what happens.

I agree actually. It always happens after a prophet dies. It is natural.

And happens when a prophet is still alive, too. Qadariyah, for instance.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Show me where I said that.

Aren't you from the States as well?

I didn't.

Did you not read the post you quoted? The one where I say:

Then literally what was your purpose in quoting an ayah which says to kill people? Dramatic effect?

It's in my post. Also, it's killing people for a just cause.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Then literally what was your purpose in quoting an ayah which says to kill people? Dramatic effect?

It's in my post. Also, it's killing people for a just cause.

Yes, killing people when they make warfare. Jesus. Are you still not understanding? Why did you quote a post referring to warfare and saying that those who make war on Islam should be killed?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

It's in my post. Also, it's killing people for a just cause.

Yes, killing people when they make warfare.

*Corruption

Jesus. Are you still not understanding? Why did you quote a post referring to warfare and saying that those who make war on Islam should be killed?

Again, the reasoning is in my post.

[Sahansahiye Iran]

Yes, killing people when they make warfare.

*Corruption

Jesus. Are you still not understanding? Why did you quote a post referring to warfare and saying that those who make war on Islam should be killed?

Again, the reasoning is in my post.

It doesn't, though. It says what you didn't mean.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

*Corruption

Again, the reasoning is in my post.

It doesn't, though. It says what you didn't mean.

Ok, I will explain it again for you to understand:
The Qadaris should've been quelled and what Prophet Muhammad SAWS did was right.

[Zizou]

It doesn't, though. It says what you didn't mean.

Ok, I will explain it again for you to understand:
The Qadaris should've been quelled and what Prophet Muhammad SAWS did was right.

I can't find anything saying that the prophet ever did anything beyond censuring them.