The Islamic Discussion Thread ٤: It's Always Sunni In Arabia

[Aulus Maximus]

So you're not a Khawarij then, seeing you're in for black nationalism.

Let me get something straight right now. I am white, I am European, I am Muslim. I have no, but then literally 0, tolerance to anyone who is against a specific race for the sake of being another race AND calling him/herself a Muslim. Anyone who is Muslim is Muslim and we're equal other than our piety.

If you hate some white people because they are against Islam. Fine, I agree with you. But this should be a specific group of people from a skin color. Not the group of people with a certain skin color as a whole.

Islam has no place for nationalism, be it cultural, racial or ethnic nationalism.

Islam has no place for Anarchism/Leftism either.

Where did I say I am a leftist? I take Sharia in my heart and I hope God will apply it everywhere where Muslims live. That said it cannot be forced nor is it human law, it's voluntary contract between man and God. Whoever wishes to sign it should sign it, because the Quran says (2:256) there is no compulsion in religion.

We are called to depose tyrants, 42:39 And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend themselves.

Everyone is equal in faith except in piety; Prophet Muhammad sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allah exalt his mention ) said: "O mankind, your Lord is One and your father is one. You all descended from Aadam, and Aadam was created from earth. He is most honored among you in the sight of God who is most upright. No Arab is superior to a non-Arab, no colored person to a white person, or a white person to a colored person except by Taqwa (piety)." [Ahmad and At-Tirmithi ]

[Pilarcraft]

1- Iran is in no way a communist/stalinist country. The Law is literally based on Sharia completely and totally.

Wrong. There is no such thingh as a "Republic" in Islam. And Iran is allied with neo-stalinist Putin, communist Venezuela and communist North Korea. So yeah wrong example.

Literally every single Islamic authority over the religion on every side of the Spectrum agrees that your statement is false though. (that's called Ijma, btw)
Also, please. stop embarrassing yourself. 'Neo-stalinist' Putin. 'Communist' Venezuela.
Gosh, it's almost like you have zero understanding of either political science nor Islamic Fiqh lol.

[Jackania yugo]

1- Iran is in no way a communist/stalinist country. The Law is literally based on Sharia completely and totally.

Wrong. There is no such thingh as a "Republic" in Islam. And Iran is allied with neo-stalinist Putin, communist Venezuela and communist North Korea. So yeah wrong example.

They will all burn. If violence needs to be used to bring about democracy and pro-science, then it will. I will only permit Islamic or any other type of theocratic regime to win if they support the development of technology, green energy and space travel. If not they will be dismantled, either by diplomatic influence or lethal force.

[United States of Oceania]

Wrong. There is no such thingh as a "Republic" in Islam. And Iran is allied with neo-stalinist Putin, communist Venezuela and communist North Korea. So yeah wrong example.

Literally every single Islamic authority over the religion on every side of the Spectrum agrees that your statement is false though. (that's called Ijma, btw)
Also, please. stop embarrassing yourself. 'Neo-stalinist' Putin. 'Communist' Venezuela.
Gosh, it's almost like you have zero understanding of either political science nor Islamic Fiqh lol.

I never came across the term "Republic" neither in Quran neither in hadith books, no mention of it anywhere, not in Sahih Bukhari, not in Sahih Muslim.

So what are you talking about? Show me a hadith or ayah that mentions the term "Republic"

[Jackania yugo]

You are bigoted, racist, anti-western, homophobic and ultranationalist, not to mention really sexist.

But I also have flaws

Don't act like your bloody signature is invisible. I say you are against white people, the west, feminism (having women gain equal rights to men) and homosexual people, like most conservative Muslims and Christians. It's time for religion to die.

GOD IS DEAD! LONG LIVE EINSTEIN!

[United States of Oceania]

But I also have flaws

Don't act like your bloody signature is invisible. I say you are against white people, the west, feminism (having women gain equal rights to men) and homosexual people, like most conservative Muslims and Christians. It's time for religion to die.

GOD IS DEAD! LONG LIVE EINSTEIN!

Man, this way you are making me even more proud of my beliefs. Thank you.

[Jackania yugo]

Literally every single Islamic authority over the religion on every side of the Spectrum agrees that your statement is false though. (that's called Ijma, btw)
Also, please. stop embarrassing yourself. 'Neo-stalinist' Putin. 'Communist' Venezuela.
Gosh, it's almost like you have zero understanding of either political science nor Islamic Fiqh lol.

I never came across the term "Republic" neither in Quran neither in hadith books, no mention of it anywhere, not in Sahih Bukhari, not in Sahih Muslim.

So what are you talking about? Show me a hadith or ayah that mentions the term "Republic"

The world isn't based off the Quran, it's based off politics and (mostly) western civilization.

[Jackania yugo]

Don't act like your bloody signature is invisible. I say you are against white people, the west, feminism (having women gain equal rights to men) and homosexual people, like most conservative Muslims and Christians. It's time for religion to die.

GOD IS DEAD! LONG LIVE EINSTEIN!

Man, this way you are making me even more proud of my beliefs. Thank you.

What flaws?

[Aulus Maximus]

I never came across the term "Republic" neither in Quran neither in hadith books, no mention of it anywhere, not in Sahih Bukhari, not in Sahih Muslim.

So what are you talking about? Show me a hadith or ayah that mentions the term "Republic"

The world isn't based off the Quran, it's based off politics and (mostly) western civilization.

You're hugely misunderstanding how important the Quran is for Muslims.

It's not that for us the Quran should adapt to the world, but vice versa.

[United States of Oceania]

I never came across the term "Republic" neither in Quran neither in hadith books, no mention of it anywhere, not in Sahih Bukhari, not in Sahih Muslim.

So what are you talking about? Show me a hadith or ayah that mentions the term "Republic"

The world isn't based off the Quran, it's based off politics and (mostly) western civilization.

Nope. This is not the Richard Dawkins fan club.

[Jackania yugo]

The world isn't based off the Quran, it's based off politics and (mostly) western civilization.

You're hugely misunderstanding how important the Quran is for Muslims.

It's not that for us the Quran should adapt to the world, but vice versa.

I'm not a muslim. This is a Islamic dicscussion thread, not an Islamic echo chamber.

[United States of Oceania]

Wrong. There is no such thingh as a "Republic" in Islam. And Iran is allied with neo-stalinist Putin, communist Venezuela and communist North Korea. So yeah wrong example.

They will all burn. If violence needs to be used to bring about democracy and pro-science, then it will.

Are these the famous "tolerance" and "moderation" that you want to teach to Muslims?

[Aulus Maximus]

You're hugely misunderstanding how important the Quran is for Muslims.

It's not that for us the Quran should adapt to the world, but vice versa.

I'm not a muslim. This is a Islamic dicscussion thread, not an Islamic echo chamber.

And I am teaching you something about us Muslims. You can disagree with it, but that's it, it remains so.

[United States of Oceania]

and may what ever sky wizard that actully does exsist have no mercy on your central nervous system, or any other organ system for that matter.

More Western moderation and peacefulness...

[Jackania yugo]

They will all burn. If violence needs to be used to bring about democracy and pro-science, then it will.

Are these the famous "tolerance" and "moderation" that you want to teach to Muslims?

You omitted the later part of the sentence, saying about the use of diplomacy.

[United States of Oceania]

You're hugely misunderstanding how important the Quran is for Muslims.

It's not that for us the Quran should adapt to the world, but vice versa.

I'm not a muslim. This is a Islamic dicscussion thread, not an Islamic echo chamber.

Yes but don't expect people to agree with your hatred of Quran.

[Samudera Darussalam]

GOD IS DEAD! LONG LIVE EINSTEIN!

*Sighs*
No comment. I just want to say hello

Literally every single Islamic authority over the religion on every side of the Spectrum agrees that your statement is false though. (that's called Ijma, btw)
Also, please. stop embarrassing yourself. 'Neo-stalinist' Putin. 'Communist' Venezuela.
Gosh, it's almost like you have zero understanding of either political science nor Islamic Fiqh lol.

I never came across the term "Republic" neither in Quran neither in hadith books, no mention of it anywhere, not in Sahih Bukhari, not in Sahih Muslim.

So what are you talking about? Show me a hadith or ayah that mentions the term "Republic"

He said Ijma', which is something akin to the results of this meetings of Ulama, so it's likely that you won't find it in the Qur'an or the Hadith.

[Jackania yugo]

I'm not a muslim. This is a Islamic dicscussion thread, not an Islamic echo chamber.

And I am teaching you something about us Muslims. You can disagree with it, but that's it, it remains so.

Oh, so you mean a global Islamic regime. Unless it reforms and become more Liberal, then get your head out of the gutter.

[Pilarcraft]

Literally every single Islamic authority over the religion on every side of the Spectrum agrees that your statement is false though. (that's called Ijma, btw)
Also, please. stop embarrassing yourself. 'Neo-stalinist' Putin. 'Communist' Venezuela.
Gosh, it's almost like you have zero understanding of either political science nor Islamic Fiqh lol.

I never came across the term "Republic" neither in Quran neither in hadith books, no mention of it anywhere, not in Sahih Bukhari, not in Sahih Muslim.

So what are you talking about? Show me a hadith or ayah that mentions the term "Republic"

Again, you show your lack of understanding. That's why I said "Almost every single islamic authortiy over the religion agrees that you are wrong". Ijma is an agreement of a large number of Ulema, taken by logical arguments as opposed to parrotting books and Ahadiith (mostly because Arabs didn't comprehend complicated concepts such as Monarchism, the concept of 'liberty' or 'republicanism' until Persians translated The Republic and similar books for them)

Ijma is universally accepted by Muslims (ever since the days of Muhammad himself) as one of the fundementals of Sharia. If, as a Muslim, you disagree with that, You're a hypocrite. Or (more likely) you just lack any understanding of Islam and your knowledge of the religion comes from your edgy introduction to it by terrorist pan-Islamist and pan-Arab groups.

[Aulus Maximus]

And I am teaching you something about us Muslims. You can disagree with it, but that's it, it remains so.

Oh, so you mean a global Islamic regime. Unless it reforms and become more Liberal, then get your head out of the gutter.

Oh no, I don't mean that.

Again, the Quran teaches us that no one can be forced into religion. Rather, I argue that Muslims should form communes where sharia is established, outside a state, so they can live in accordance to Islamic norms.

In such way, we can live our own life.

[United States of Oceania]

Are these the famous "tolerance" and "moderation" that you want to teach to Muslims?

You omitted the later part of the sentence, saying about the use of diplomacy.

You are literally threatening everyone here, cursing and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. You threaten destruction if they don't change their mind, and you call me extremist? It seems to me the only extremist here is you.

I know your tacticts, you Western apologists are the most hypocrite people on the Earth.

[Jackania yugo]

You omitted the later part of the sentence, saying about the use of diplomacy.

You are literally threatening everyone here, cursing and insulting anyone who doesn't agree with you. You threaten destruction if they don't change their mind, and you call me extremist? It seems to me the only extremist here is you.

I know your tacticts, you Western apologists are the most hypocrite people on the Earth.

Ok then, what do you want to do with the western world...I'll wait.

[United States of Oceania]

He said Ijma', which is something akin to the results of this meetings of Ulama, so it's likely that you won't find it in the Qur'an or the Hadith.

Quran and ahadith are always more important than what the Ulama say. And if the so-called Ijma is not coherent with Quran and ahadith, it's not valid.

[Pilarcraft]

He said Ijma', which is something akin to the results of this meetings of Ulama, so it's likely that you won't find it in the Qur'an or the Hadith.

Quran and ahadith are always more important than what the Ulama say. And if the so-called Ijma is not coherent with Quran and ahadith, it's not valid.

The only way it wouldn't be coherent with Ahadiith and The Quran would be if The Quran and the Ahaadith specifically said not to assemble a republic though. Which, they couldn't have, the Arabs of the Peninsula being tribal people not civilized enough to even build proto-states much less complex governing systems such as monarchy and republic. Essentially, since Muhammad and his ilk had no idea what a republic even was, they didn't mention it (you'll find that a recurring theme in Religious texts), and later, when they got introduced to the idea somewhere around 200-300 Hijri through the Persian translations of Greek Books, there started a debate on "would The Republic work in an Islamic Model" by the Ulema... the current Ijma is that "yes. It is possible." (and it has been so, give or take, for the last 100 years)

[United States of Oceania]

Ijma is universally accepted by Muslims (ever since the days of Muhammad himself) as one of the fundementals of Sharia.

If Ijma is not in accordance with Quran, it's not valid, it's heresy. The Word of Allah is always more important than what the ulama say.